Farmboy91 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 This has become a bit more pronounced during the drying process, there's no movement in it what so ever so is it best to stick a screw with a bit of wood glue through it or force some glue in then clamp it overnight? Any input greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 Clamp and glue. I'd be inclined to drill 2 holes about the thickness of a match head and glue 2 matches in there as well, used as pins. I presume this is that 410 that's a project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted February 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, strimmer_13 said: Clamp and glue. I'd be inclined to drill 2 holes about the thickness of a match head and glue 2 matches in there as well, used as pins. I presume this is that 410 that's a project? Should I drill all the way through? Yeah that's the one, was planning on oiling tomorrow so this has thrown a bit of a spanner in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 A pin across the join gives more glue surface as well as adding mechanical strength. You could make a feature of it by using contrasting wood all the way through or, try to make it invisible. In any case gently spring the crack so you can get as much glue surface exposed as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 Cheers, I made a bit of a mess of it in the end, the first hole i drilled was a smidge to big so I had to stick a small bolt in, which then obstructed the stock bolt. By the time I actually checked it was this morning ( having done it yesterday) it was set solid, so I ended up drilling it out and re-filling it. Lesson learned the hard way. I did slide a knife in and scraped a bit of the old stuff out and then pushed as much glue as I could. Im hoping now I'll loose much of what I've done with the Alkanet oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver One Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 I would put a clamp across the closed end of the crack so that when opening it up you do not end up with two stocks! pinning AND gluing would provide a lot more strength than glue alone...but some of the newer wood glues are very strong. I think @team tractor would be the best on glues having seen some of his work on here ( but as I am fairly new on here I do not know other people's backgrounds!....there may even be a Glue Guru ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, Diver One said: I would put a clamp across the closed end of the crack so that when opening it up you do not end up with two stocks! pinning AND gluing would provide a lot more strength than glue alone...but some of the newer wood glues are very strong. I think @team tractor would be the best on glues having seen some of his work on here ( but as I am fairly new on here I do not know other people's backgrounds!....there may even be a Glue Guru ) I just use polyurethane expanding glue on everything 👍and clamp . It expands into all the cracks and is super strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) I had been using gorilla glue, I let the clamp of this morning and it hasn't come back apart yet. I pinned it with a match as strimmer suggested. As it's only a .410 with 2 1/2" chambers I don't think big loads opening it back up will be a problem 😂 I will give that expanding glue a look when I've run out though, thanks 👍 I didn't have much room to play with when it came to clamping as the stock is so small and I've got no small clamps. Edited February 6, 2020 by Farmboy91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver One Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 Was it the Brown gorilla glue that's like syrup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 Yeah that's the one, it still sticks well but it's getting harder and harder to actually get out of the bottle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 Yea make it airtight or it leaves a 1/4 thick layer in the bottle that you will have to drill through to use next time. If its regularly used and you don't take the lid off it will stay free flowing. Very good glue, the normal white gorilla glue (like pva) is pants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 Ahh ok, I'll squeeze all the air out of it tomorrow, i hadn't used it for about 6 months and the top was solid, the glue is just getting more syrupy. For what it cost you can go wrong with it, I normally use that or the hot melt gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 This is what I use as within a hour or 2 I can usually start working on the project again. Remember if working on a nice surface to dampen it slightly Or a rip off of gorilla called gator glue. Just to add, all mine go hard on the top as I don't use it sometimes for a few months. Don't think it can really be avoided Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver One Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 I store all mine upside down. Got a piece of wood under the bench with 6 2" hole in it and all glue bottles stand upside down in it as I'm sick of getting the glue bottle and it's like concrete inside i like the polyurethane glue in the cartridges that go in a sealant gun, very controllable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 58 minutes ago, strimmer_13 said: This is what I use as within a hour or 2 I can usually start working on the project again. Remember if working on a nice surface to dampen it slightly Or a rip off of gorilla called gator glue. Just to add, all mine go hard on the top as I don't use it sometimes for a few months. Don't think it can really be avoided Thanks that's a good size tub for that price, I'll give that a look too when I'm out of gorilla 👍 42 minutes ago, Diver One said: I store all mine upside down. Got a piece of wood under the bench with 6 2" hole in it and all glue bottles stand upside down in it as I'm sick of getting the glue bottle and it's like concrete inside i like the polyurethane glue in the cartridges that go in a sealant gun, very controllable All the new bits I've brought I've started storing upside down for that reason, that's a good idea though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 It’s the glue in a silicone tube we use. It’s so easy to use and set within 20-30 mins. £6 a tube but we buy 12 a time minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver One Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 Whatever happened to Cascamite...is that still a thing? Not seen it for ages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondoggy Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 10 hours ago, Diver One said: Whatever happened to Cascamite...is that still a thing? Not seen it for ages Still widely available, I suppose people can’t be bothered to mix it, especially if you’re only doing a small job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 20 hours ago, Diver One said: Whatever happened to Cascamite...is that still a thing? Not seen it for ages It’s terrible stuff if your staining and takes to long to go off plus it’s rock hard. pu is 20-30 mins, cleans off easy when set and stains ok . we’ve just moved on that’s all 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted February 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 If it's stains well I might go with that, I used normal filler on this one and mixed in a but of stain to help try and blend it a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) If it's just a cheapy a nice bow across the crack in contrasting wood. If you look online there are some stunning ones of birds and butterflies etc. Could glue the crack squeeze together and cut one of these in to strengthen and make a feature of it. Edited February 9, 2020 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted February 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, figgy said: If it's just a cheapy a nice bow across the crack in contrasting wood. If you look online there are some stunning ones of birds and butterflies etc. Could glue the crack squeeze together and cut one of these in to strengthen and make a feature of it. Thanks for the idea figgy, the stocks so thin at that point im not sure id get something like that on there. I re-pinned and re-filled the crack and it's been drying in ten garage all weekend, going to give it a rub down tomorrow and see how it looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leach Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Clamp and glue it place a bit of filler in the gap light down then re varnish it when every thi g is dry and set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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