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[LeedsZeppelin]

26 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Most breweries are still making fresh beer, and have been offering a free exchange on any barrels of unopened beer that are going past use by dates.
Ive spoken to a number of publicans voicing this concern , and they swear there will be , and have not been, any issues with bad beer from take out sales.

There are a few half truths in your post. Every brewery in the country stopped brewing keg and cask beer when the lockdown happened - with the odd exception of some microbreweries selling 4.5g pins for consumption at home. Why would they be producing draught products when their market has disappeared?

A lot of breweries, including the one that supplies my beer, did recall any unopened containers with the promise of replacements once the lock down was lifted. This was in everyones favour. The pubs get fresh beer upon reopening and the breweries get to reclaim the duty on the beer, giving a little bit of cash flow.

As for those selling takeout beers, it has been sat in a cellar or warehouse since before the lockdown. It may be still within it's use by date, but it is far from fresh. If any publican is telling you he is getting fresh beer then he is telling you porkies.

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, LeedsZeppelin said:

As for those selling takeout beers, it has been sat in a cellar or warehouse since before the lockdown. It may be still within it's use by date, but it is far from fresh. If any publican is telling you he is getting fresh beer then he is telling you porkies.

My sister is a publican, and she isnt telling me porkies.
They have been selling take out food and take out beer , all the way through.
They are the only pub in the village, and are doing very well, they get fresh beer kegs every week.

Do you know the shelf life of a keg ?

[LeedsZeppelin]

10 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

Does beer go off if it's stored in barrels/kegs ?.

My only experience of out of date beer , was a few bottles of budweiser that I'd found in my loft , they were a year out of date , and we're a massive improvement on in date budweiser , they'd turned from fizzy piddle, into very tasty beer .  I also drank a bottle of Newcastle brown ale that was three years out of date , that was also much improved. 

Yes, is the simple answer.

Cask goes a lot quicker than kegged beer. As a guideline, Keg beer will start turning in three or four months time after it was filled, cask is about half that. Once opened the rate of deterioration increases.

There is more to it than that though. Pasturised beer lasts longer, as does stronger beer. Some stronger and darker beers actually get better with age - up until a certain point - but the risk of infection also increases. 

[mel b3]

3 minutes ago, LeedsZeppelin said:

Yes, is the simple answer.

Cask goes a lot quicker than kegged beer. As a guideline, Keg beer will start turning in three or four months time after it was filled, cask is about half that. Once opened the rate of deterioration increases.

There is more to it than that though. Pasturised beer lasts longer, as does stronger beer. Some stronger and darker beers actually get better with age - up until a certain point - but the risk of infection also increases. 

You'd think that with the amount of beer that I drank in the past , I'd have known some of that . I'm not keen on the risk of infection business , does the off beer just give you the trots , or make you seriously ill ?.

[Rewulf]

2 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

does the off beer just give you the trots , or make you seriously ill ?.

Highly unlikely .
Alcohol content , the stronger the better, is like a natural germ killer.
Modern prep methods and additives make it even less likely.

[LeedsZeppelin]

26 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Highly unlikely .
Alcohol content , the stronger the better, is like a natural germ killer.
Modern prep methods and additives make it even less likely.

This is true. You'd be very unlucky to be ill, but the worse case would be the trots.

You will have sampled bad beer if you have drank enough over the years. The two most common bacterial infections are acetobacter which gives a vinegar like taste and smell, and diacetyl which gives beer a buttery butterscotch taste and oily mouth feel. Both wont do you any harm.

Beer is actually very good at fighting bacteria away, especially beers with active yeast in such as cask beer and bottle conditioned. The yeast will out compete bacteria to it's food source (fermentable sugars)whilst the fermentation process produces co2, effectively creating a barrier between the beer and oxygen.

I'm not sure about additives though.

41 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

My sister is a publican, and she isnt telling me porkies.
They have been selling take out food and take out beer , all the way through.
They are the only pub in the village, and are doing very well, they get fresh beer kegs every week.

Out of interest, which brewery is this? Is she sure they are fresh, and not just out of a warehouse?

I've only just spoken to the brewery that supplies me. They have yet to restart production, and the large multinational conglomerate brewery across the road from them has just started gearing up to brew again.

[Walker570]

We very rarely eat out because we enjoy entertaining at home  and enjoy cooking our own meals.  Can't stand being in a pub shoulder to shoulder talking about nothing important rather be sat in a high seat somewhere.  Quality ales, pint bottles £5 for for three bottles in my local village shop. 

[mel b3]

33 minutes ago, LeedsZeppelin said:

This is true. You'd be very unlucky to be ill, but the worse case would be the trots.

You will have sampled bad beer if you have drank enough over the years. The two most common bacterial infections are acetobacter which gives a vinegar like taste and smell, and diacetyl which gives beer a buttery butterscotch taste and oily mouth feel. Both wont do you any harm.

Beer is actually very good at fighting bacteria away, especially beers with active yeast in such as cask beer and bottle conditioned. The yeast will out compete bacteria to it's food source (fermentable sugars)whilst the fermentation process produces co2, effectively creating a barrier between the beer and oxygen.

I'm not sure about additives though.

Out of interest, which brewery is this? Is she sure they are fresh, and not just out of a warehouse?

I've only just spoken to the brewery that supplies me. They have yet to restart production, and the large multinational conglomerate brewery across the road from them has just started gearing up to brew again.

I've had the odd bad pint over the years that I used to drink (tasted like vinegar), but I've never drunk more than a mouthful of it.

This beer talk is making me thirsty 😊

19 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

We very rarely eat out because we enjoy entertaining at home  and enjoy cooking our own meals.  Can't stand being in a pub shoulder to shoulder talking about nothing important rather be sat in a high seat somewhere.  Quality ales, pint bottles £5 for for three bottles in my local village shop. 

And very nice meals they are nev 👍.

[Lloyd90]

So your complaining that it wasn’t good for social distancing etc ... but you went over and had one anyway? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[Lloyd90]

On 05/06/2020 at 17:48, Walker570 said:

We very rarely eat out because we enjoy entertaining at home  and enjoy cooking our own meals.  Can't stand being in a pub shoulder to shoulder talking about nothing important rather be sat in a high seat somewhere.  Quality ales, pint bottles £5 for for three bottles in my local village shop. 

You’d be surprised how many people can’t cook a decent meal. 
 

I love beans on toast now and then but some people are having it as a main meal regular... I don’t consider that a main meal 🤷‍♂️. 
 

My cousin and his wife are like it... they have those packet potato waffles you just throw in the oven for 30 mins with a fried egg as dinner often... boggles my mind that people can’t cook a proper meal... and often it’s not expensive or prohibitive.  

[Walker570]

1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said:

You’d be surprised how many people can’t cook a decent meal. 
 

I love beans on toast now and then but some people are having it as a main meal regular... I don’t consider that a main meal 🤷‍♂️. 
 

My cousin and his wife are like it... they have those packet potato waffles you just throw in the oven for 30 mins with a fried egg as dinner often... boggles my mind that people can’t cook a proper meal... and often it’s not expensive or prohibitive.  

100%   fortunately we have a group of friends who are just the opposite, they are all relatively young compared to us but just enjoy cooking and preparing food.  It is amazing when you have so much on air and in newspapers about cooking. It ain't rocket science for heavens sake.   I plan a barbie for a group of these friends who have been so kind during this lock down and I will simply put a whole brisket in the smoker/broiler at 6am check it a couple of times during the day and then carve it at about 6pm, with a choice of vegeatbles and sald and a good bottle of wine to wash it all down.  Dessert ?   Home grown apple crumble and custard with double cream if required.  Guarantee very little will be left on the plates.

Tonight, we are having cauliflower cheese  the cheese sauce also includes a goodly portion of chopped up smoked bacon also include chopped up bits of smoked bacon, couldn't be simpler. Trifle to follow.

 

OOooops a bit of a mixed up spelling half way through due to a treble Morrisons Glen Stag.

Edited June 8, 2020 by Walker570

[Saltings]

you tease I am drooling  already      I kill it    cook it    eat it    smoked it     dried it   salted it   bbq  it    and any other it          I agree so many cant boil an egg to my liking    cook beef  without nailing to a tree in a forest fire  scrape the bits off     you have killed it once you don't need to kill it again          or cook something that makes you crook          or use pop de ping         I am mid 50s and can rustle an edible meal      mother could cook but grandmother was way better regarding taste flavour  grandmother made irish brown bread looked like a decent loaf mother made with same ingredients without care or attention (didn't toss the flour to get the air in grandmother would take 10 minutes tossing air to get a better quality bread  )  as for mothers bread  we couldn't eat it      the crows who ate it couldn't fly      just stodge           some people can cook some burn water               my kids dinner was daddy's surprise as nippers    usually  seasonal meats   fresh seasonal veg    and sometimes pasta  spag boll using game meats     pigeon  meat went down really well          seasonal  fruits  for deserts with custard / ice cream / fruit cirrip  /  fruit crumbles  / malt loaves with custard / fruit loaves with custard              now kids  older   fruits  like damson   sloes    strawberry   raspberry    gooseberry   raspberry  sloe    blackcurrant    grins   seems to appeal  as tastes better than commercial pink Ginn        as they know where they're food comes from  I try to  do a decent meal and a  crumble   pie  for them  inc a tipple or two after    I cant have as gluten intolerant         but the look on their faces        its worth it          the simple things matter to me  its not what it costs but the look on a face enjoying good grub  inc boyfriends / girlfriends going back for more and more who have never ate game before  not to mention a simple crumble pie         as brought up on chicken nuggets and fish fingers         if nothing else in this time of need  learn what local home produce seasonal food tastes like rather than hydroponic junk from Spain  top quality local produce that lasts longer from a farmers market  than any super store       call me a liar if you can         its time to support home grown 1st rate  produce more flavour last longer  cheaper as no waste    

for twenty two  years I was a farmers son however things have moved on  but a first rate product home grown meat or veg is the best you can get  not to mention game and wild foods 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Saltings

[oldypigeonpopper]

On 05/06/2020 at 16:42, mel b3 said:

Does beer go off if it's stored in barrels/kegs ?.

My only experience of out of date beer , was a few bottles of budweiser that I'd found in my loft , they were a year out of date , and we're a massive improvement on in date budweiser , they'd turned from fizzy piddle, into very tasty beer .  I also drank a bottle of Newcastle brown ale that was three years out of date , that was also much improved. 

Hello mel, as happens I still have a limited edition of millennium ale from 1999 in a sealed tin by the Mansfield brewery, a gift from my 50th birthday bash, seems a shame to drink 😀 as for our pubs in uk I fear many will not reopen 

Edited June 19, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper