Bagsy Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Nightmare journey out of the smog tonight - all because one nutter is allowed to have the power to bring London to a standstill! Why do we all have to suffer because he and his greedy bunch of lefty tw*ts want everything for nothing? I wish Thatcher was here to kick him and his brainless followers into touch. Why do we put up with it? He stands there with his spineless heavies looking smug.....I'd love to see it wiped from his face!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Why what's he done ? Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted September 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 He's reduced London to a stand still by taking the tube workers on strike.........again! Must cost the country a fortune every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 He's reduced London to a stand still by taking the tube workers on strike.........again! Must cost the country a fortune every time. Are penny dropped. Yes I heard it on the radio this morning. Its costing the capital quite a few million per day Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Nightmare journey out of the smog tonight - all because one nutter is allowed to have the power to bring London to a standstill! Why do we all have to suffer because he and his greedy bunch of lefty tw*ts want everything for nothing? I wish Thatcher was here to kick him and his brainless followers into touch. Why do we put up with it? He stands there with his spineless heavies looking smug.....I'd love to see it wiped from his face!! Don't hold back mate....say what you really mean, you'll feel better for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 I think they are striking for their pensions in which case I sort of support them. Living out here in rural kent LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Last I heard (and I could be wrong) the drivers earn 35 a year. That is what I term "a **** load" of money. As for danger, I'd say brickies get more of it inj their job, let alone squaddies on task somewhere. Absolute ******* joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Some of this country's union leaders are good men, with the interests of the country and their members at heart. A successfull country means a more prosperous workforce. Men like Crow and Scargill hate this counrty and want to see it destroyed, in order to build a 'glorious' new replublic, the top table of which they would then be sat at, directing the state organised crowds 'proclaiming' their greatness. They are low life criminal scum, thugs and bully boys that should have been drown at birth. Other than that, I think he's alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Bob Crow is an utter ****. He's like a spoilt child who didn't get his way and so throws a tantrum and orders everything to stop and causes a nightmare for everyone living here so he can say 'look how powerful I am', I'm guessing he's got a very small ****. I don't want workers to lose their pensions but he'd already been given assurances by the administrators, Metronet chairman and Ken Livingstone so why did he carry on with the strike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I agree the workers shouldn't loose their pensions. I also think Crow sounds like and east end 'fug' and behaves like one, not the best spokesman they could have by a long way. Wookie, if you think 35 is **** load of money, you have been in IT too long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 He's reduced London to a stand still by taking the tube workers on strike.........again! Must cost the country a fortune every time. Nobody can force anybody to go on strike, ( pressure from fellow working could be seen to be applied etc, i.e. the miners strikes, picket lines, people being labelled scabs, bricks through windows......personally I don't agree with the bully boy tactics, if you've got a family to feed you need to work, You go on strike or you don't), its done by vote, so obviously the workers on the underground feel aggrieved enough about there conditions to warrant a protest. Pensions have been plundered by our illustrious leaders in Downing st, so anybody that was looking forward to a comfortable retirement something they have been paying into for years to assure, have been kicked in the nuts by Mr Brown, so look to the Govt as a major cause of this one, what has Blair or Brown done about the pensions crisis, don't see it affecting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 35k _is_ a lot of money. Mind you I'd be happy to earn the same as some of the city bankers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I don't want workers to lose their pensions but he'd already been given assurances by the administrators, Metronet chairman and Ken Livingstone so why did he carry on with the strike? I wouldn't trust the Metronet Chairman and Ken Livingstone, with their record of honest open dealings. It also needs someone other than the Administrators to underwrite this agreement. Quite a few large groups of workers have lost their pension rights, or had them severely reduced, despite "assurances" given at the time that their employers were taken over, de nationalised, merged, etc. I don't support this strike action, but I can understand the concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Bob Crow always gives a good talking point in our office as my business partner used to be MD of Red Star Parcels and has had to sit the other side of the desk to Bob Crow and listen to his rants. All this while resisting the urge to lean across and smack him, apparently he won't listen to reason and just looks for any reason to get people out on strike and get himself some media coverage. This tube strike is causing me loads of grief and I have to say I think Ken Livingston is probably not the one to deal with these things as I believe he's definitely on their side, its causing agro to millions of people and really hammering business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Bob Crow always gives a good talking point in our office as my business partner used to be MD of Red Star Parcels and has had to sit the other side of the desk to Bob Crow and listen to his rants. All this while resisting the urge to lean across and smack him, apparently he won't listen to reason and just looks for any reason to get people out on strike and get himself some media coverage. This tube strike is causing me loads of grief and I have to say I think Ken Livingston is probably not the one to deal with these things as I believe he's definitely on their side, its causing agro to millions of people and really hammering business. I'd pay good money to watch that. Hell, that should be our new national sport. I'm sure we could huge numbers of Londoners signing up to participate in a spot of 'Crow Bashing'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I agree with those who have sympathy over protecting pensions. But underground drivers are paid big salaries (say in comparison to people who work their butts off for the NHS, get paid a pittance and are treated like ****) and constantly whinge. I'm a union member, I've been on strike, I've given money to support others on strike. But why the the RMT strike when the other two unions had agreed they had sufficient guarantees? It is because they like throwing their weight around. Listen to the London Underground song by Amateur Transplants - spot on in getting the feeling of most of us who have to travel by tube. http://www.backingblair.co.uk/london_underground/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 It'd take me more than three years to earn £35k. The cheeky ***** that hold the public to ransom like this ought to get a wage reduction every time they strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I'm no supporter of Bob Crow and his RMT, but anybody that travels regularly by tube will know that the service is pretty dire. Ken Livingstone has come up with the bright idea of driving motorists out of their cars by Congestion Charging, but has not provided a viable alternative. The public transport system in London is a joke, and horrendously expensive. That's not the fault of Bob Crow, Ken and his American dolittle cronies are to blame. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 It'd take me more than three years to earn £35k. The cheeky ***** that hold the public to ransom like this ought to get a wage reduction every time they strike. Would that include Nurses, Firemen etc.... The people that earn that wage were not just handed it on a plate, it takes a lot of testing to be offered a position then initial training, followed by further training then bi-annual testing, everybody in the country that works earns their own wage relative to the job they do, yes some wages do appear to be dis-proportionate to the actual work carried out but thats life, I don't agree with the massive wages earned by politicians or city bankers, or high end councillors, add to that head of Union chiefs and any other extortionately paid position that you could think of, nor do I agree with the pittance that Nurses are paid or the lower ranked members of the Armed Forces and further add any other job to this list you can think of. Because people complain, stand up for their rights and conditions instead of bending over and taking what ever the employer throws at them, that makes them ***** and should mean their wages are cut? Wages are in some instances static or being cut nationally, positions being lost to immigrant workers willing to carry out you're duties for half you're wage. The unions should comply with the wishes of the members, those wishes being duly VOTED on, any self serving actions taken by union officials against the majority VOTE should be met with instant dismissal, these self serving actions do occur at high level as with political party members yet time after time these people are allowed back into office to pursue their own agenda's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palombier Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Bob'The reality is' Crow and his Union henchmen are just a bunch of lefty ***** on a communist agenda. Wasn't it he who brought the London Underground out on strike for 2 days after another from his Union was caught playing squash whilst on sick leave with a sprained ankle? Says it all for me; the bloke has zero credibility. P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Because people complain, stand up for their rights and conditions instead of bending over and taking what ever the employer throws at them, that makes them ***** and should mean their wages are cut? Wages are in some instances static or being cut nationally, positions being lost to immigrant workers willing to carry out you're duties for half you're wage. Everyone else employed by private companies has to take what it offered so why should employees of these large companies be any different. If I want a pay increase or a bonus I either have to work harder and show myself worthy of being worth the extra or go and find a different job who will pay me more. Why should a train driver be any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Because people complain, stand up for their rights and conditions instead of bending over and taking what ever the employer throws at them, that makes them ***** and should mean their wages are cut? Wages are in some instances static or being cut nationally, positions being lost to immigrant workers willing to carry out you're duties for half you're wage. Everyone else employed by private companies has to take what it offered so why should employees of these large companies be any different. If I want a pay increase or a bonus I either have to work harder and show myself worthy of being worth the extra or go and find a different job who will pay me more. Why should a train driver be any different? Mine wasn't a comment referring specifically to train drivers it was a generic observation covering all trades and industry, also the proposed strike was in response to PENSION rights not basic salary. Do try to keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Because people complain, stand up for their rights and conditions instead of bending over and taking what ever the employer throws at them, that makes them ***** and should mean their wages are cut? :blink: Wages are in some instances static or being cut nationally, positions being lost to immigrant workers willing to carry out you're duties for half you're wage. Everyone else employed by private companies has to take what it offered so why should employees of these large companies be any different. If I want a pay increase or a bonus I either have to work harder and show myself worthy of being worth the extra or go and find a different job who will pay me more. Why should a train driver be any different? Mine wasn't a comment referring specifically to train drivers it was a generic observation covering all trades and industry, also the proposed strike was in response to PENSION rights not basic salary. Do try to keep up. My point also refers to all trades and industries I just mentioned train drivers as it was trade in question I am also aware this discussion is about pensions and not wages but you refered to wages in an earlier post and I was discussing that issue. Maybe you need a lie down old chap as you seem confused. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Big fan of Mr Crow here, but then I am part of his union, work for Network Rail and go on strike every time we are not getting our own way. people on the outside need to step back, when you see the way the pension funds are managed and raped by the various contractors that have maintained the railways since privitisation, you would see why they strike. A couple of the old blokes in my office lost 15 years of their pension funds when companies and staff changed hands, and thats a serious amount of money. as for tube drivers, they are highly trained individuals who have to not only control the train, they have to ensure passenger safety, follow strict rules and regulations, learn every single bit of their route so they can know where junctions/stations/signals etc are and deal with serious emergency situations (7/7 for example) should they arise. they also have to deal with suicides, the belief that they could have done something different to stop a person from dying. it destroys the lives of quite a few drivers this does. worth every penny of their £35K wage, which, to be honest, is nothing in London, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big simmo999 Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I you won't stand up for your pension - you are ****** I'm behind Bob all the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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