udderlyoffroad Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) On 01/12/2021 at 19:46, ordnance said: Could things not have being worse if mask mandates and lockdowns etc were not used ? Expand Worse how exactly? IF (and it's a big if) you believe the official figures - and I don't - with/of Covid is such a grey area viz unfortunate road traffic accident victims - 130k dead. 740k missed cancer appointments which will doubtless kill more than covid, but of course these deaths don't count. Unemployment and inflation up (though both less than countries with stricter measures such as Germany). Children's development damaged due to the stupid ********* mask mandates and closing schools. Honestly, if you think things could've been 'worse' - how exactly? Bodies piling up on the streets, NHS overwhelmed? Come off it. This country has royally over-reacted and screwed itself. This morning sky news had a sob-piece (sorry, human interest) on a 35 year old women suffering with 'long covid' - except she was the size and weight of a Ford Fiesta. We are dying not because a disease with a 99.something-odd survival rate is killing us, but too many of us are an obese, healthcare-free-of-consequences nation of sops with a fetish of being told what do, and seek comfort in governmental rules invading every aspect of our lives. Why I do believe my soapbox as just collapsed under the weight of my righteous anger. Edited December 2, 2021 by udderlyoffroad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 02/12/2021 at 12:21, udderlyoffroad said: Worse how exactly? IF (and it's a big if) you believe the official figures - and I don't - with/of Covid is such a grey area viz unfortunate road traffic accident victims - 130k dead. 740k missed cancer appointments which will doubtless kill more than covid, but of course these deaths don't count. Unemployment and inflation up (though both less than countries with stricter measures such as Germany). Children's development damaged due to the stupid ********* mask mandates and closing schools. Honestly, if you think things could've been 'worse' - how exactly? Bodies piling up on the streets, NHS overwhelmed? Come off it. This country has royally over-reacted and screwed itself. This morning sky news had a sob-piece (sorry, human interest) on a 35 year old women suffering with 'long covid' - except she was the size and weight of a Ford Fiesta. We are dying not because a disease with a 99.something-odd survival rate is killing us, but too many of us are an obese, healthcare-free-of-consequences nation of sops with a fetish of being told what do, and seek comfort in governmental rules invading every aspect of our lives. Why I do believe my soapbox as just collapsed under the weight of my righteous anger. Expand Not all long covid sufferers are massively obese. A client of mine is a 40year old former jockey and hockey player who took over a year to get back into training after a very mild case of covid, breathless and couldn't walk 100yards without sitting down. All while her lungs were fully clear and no scarring. Your figure of the 99.something survival rate may be accurate but what kind of survival? It doesn't take into account people with life long disabilities as a result of the virus. Kate garraways husband Derek being a prime example of someone who "survived" and is now essentially on palliative care for the foreseeable. A friend of mine is a funeral director and according to him the death rate where we live hasn't gone up massively but the reasons people are dying and the demographic of who was dying have changed somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 02/12/2021 at 13:18, Rob85 said: Not all long covid sufferers are massively obese. A client of mine is a 40year old former jockey and hockey player who took over a year to get back into training after a very mild case of covid, breathless and couldn't walk 100yards without sitting down. All while her lungs were fully clear and no scarring. Your figure of the 99.something survival rate may be accurate but what kind of survival? It doesn't take into account people with life long disabilities as a result of the virus. Kate garraways husband Derek being a prime example of someone who "survived" and is now essentially on palliative care for the foreseeable. A friend of mine is a funeral director and according to him the death rate where we live hasn't gone up massively but the reasons people are dying and the demographic of who was dying have changed somewhat. Expand It is a real shame that Ivermectin has not been subscribed for everyone who tests positive for Covid19, it's use elsewhere in the world has saved millions, but of cource 'vax' companies have to make their money...... https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/dying-covid-19-patient-recovers-after-court-orders-hospital-administer-ivermectin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 02/12/2021 at 14:24, Stonepark said: It is a real shame that Ivermectin has not been subscribed for everyone who tests positive for Covid19 Expand Highly questionable at best https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58170809 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) Quote Honestly, if you think things could've been 'worse' - how exactly? Bodies piling up on the streets, NHS overwhelmed? Expand Yes, but i get the feeling its pointless as you seem to know it all. Quote It is a real shame that Ivermectin has not been subscribed for everyone who tests positive for Covid19, it's use elsewhere in the world has saved millions, but of cource 'vax' companies have to make their money...... Expand One man recovers who could have recovered anyway, and you take from that the drug could have saved millions Edited December 2, 2021 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 02/12/2021 at 19:31, ordnance said: One man recovers who could have recovered anyway, and you take from that the drug could have saved millions Expand A vaccinated man catches covid, is unwell and you take that as an effective vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) On 02/12/2021 at 21:28, treetree said: A vaccinated man catches covid, is unwell and you take that as an effective vaccine. Expand If the vaccine is to help prevent serious illness and death, then yes. Some people will catch the flu even with having the vaccine, but its still seen as effective in reducing serious illness and death and taking pressure off the NHS, they don't spend millions giving it every year for the fun of it. Quote What protection does a flu vaccine provide if I do get sick with flu? Some people who get vaccinated may still get sick with flu. However, flu vaccination has been shown in some studies to reduce severity of illness in people who get vaccinated but still get sick. A 2021 studyexternal icon showed that among adults, flu vaccination was associated with a 26% lower risk of ICU admission and a 31% lower risk of death from flu compared with those who were unvaccinated. A 2017 study showed that flu vaccination reduced deaths, intensive care unit (ICU) admissions, ICU length of stay, and overall duration of hospitalization among hospitalized adults with flu. Quote Quote Expand Expand Quote Expand Edited December 2, 2021 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 02/12/2021 at 13:18, Rob85 said: Not all long covid sufferers are massively obese. A client of mine is a 40year old former jockey and hockey player who took over a year to get back into training after a very mild case of covid, breathless and couldn't walk 100yards without sitting down. All while her lungs were fully clear and no scarring Expand So-called “Fit as a fiddle” people to me are just the opposite side of the coin from the hippopotamus sky news wheeled out to warn us of the dangers of long COVID. Both punish their bodies relentlessly. everything in moderation, as your Jewish mother would say. And yes, I do appear to have misplaced my medical degree. On 02/12/2021 at 13:18, Rob85 said: Your figure of the 99.something survival rate may be accurate but what kind of survival? It doesn't take into account people with life long disabilities as a result of the virus. Kate garraways husband Derek being a prime example of someone who "survived" and is now essentially on palliative care for the foreseeable. Expand Not my figure. If only we had some data on this. Most are just fine. I had to google Kate Garraway - how is her hubby an prime example of anything other than a sleb who backs up your perception of what long COVID does to you? On 02/12/2021 at 19:31, ordnance said: Yes, but i get the feeling its pointless as you seem to know it all. Expand Will you ever acknowledge that lockdowns and mask mandates have a cost as well as a benefit? I thought this tweet rather interesting Tell me again how lockdowns work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 Quote Will you ever acknowledge that lockdowns and mask mandates have a cost as well as a benefit? Expand Most things have a cost as well as a benefit. Quote The number of people in hospital with Covid in England has fallen below 6,000. There were more patients at the end of August than there are today. This time last year there were 13,000 - and that was after 3 weeks of lockdown. Expand As there is a lag in infections and hosiptlashions, around three weeks. Obviously three weeks into a lock down you will be getting high numbers of people in hospital. How did the figures compare after a few months of lockdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted December 3, 2021 Report Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 02/12/2021 at 23:06, ordnance said: Most things have a cost as well as a benefit. Expand Tell me you can’t see the arguments for the other side without telling me you can’t see the arguments for the other side. On 02/12/2021 at 23:06, ordnance said: As there is a lag in infections and hosiptlashions, around three weeks. Obviously three weeks into a lock down you will be getting high numbers of people in hospital. How did the figures compare after a few months of lockdown. Expand Seriously? Even the BBC have acknowledged that all the information for this latest variation coming out of ZA is that it is mild, and in the UK cases are isolating at home. And for this we have knee jerked back to wearing totally ineffective muzzles till March, again, with the lockdown fetishisation almost unquestioningly ramped up to 11 in the media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ordnance Posted December 3, 2021 Report Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 03/12/2021 at 09:08, udderlyoffroad said: Seriously? Even the BBC have acknowledged that all the information for this latest variation coming out of ZA is that it is mild, and in the UK cases are isolating at home. Expand I am not sure what that has to do with my post bellow about a earlier lockdown 😕 Quote 20 hours ago, ordnance said: As there is a lag in infections and hosiptlashions, around three weeks. Obviously three weeks into a lock down you will be getting high numbers of people in hospital. How did the figures compare after a few months of lockdown Expand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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