TVPC Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 Been trying locally for around 2 years now. After exploring various avenues I have managed to join a shoot for beating with some pigeon shooting in return for services. This is only at certain times though. Not a free for all. Which I fully respect. My question however is, are the days of being able to turn up and approach a farmer to ask permission over? At every turn there is either someone else on already or there is a shoot syndicate in place. Highly frustrating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 Perseverance and good timing are the keys here. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 Get to know the farmer before asking for shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 after two years you must be doing something wrong check your using the right approach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 The thing is syndicates pay and at the end of the day cash is king I know from experience as the same thing happened to me , Try expanding your search and offer the farmer something in return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVPC Posted January 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, clangerman said: after two years you must be doing something wrong check your using the right approach I have Ngo insurance. Take my cert to show. Identify which crop is being hit in which field. I dress well and am polite and have business cards made up which I hand over on introduction. Always thank them for their time. 8 minutes ago, sam triple said: The thing is syndicates pay and at the end of the day cash is king I know from experience as the same thing happened to me , Try expanding your search and offer the farmer something in return Your correct. I have been going further afield in my searches but still to no avail. Why people pay to shoot pests is beyond me. I do have a permission but I would prefer to have the luxury of having a choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, TVPC said: I have Ngo insurance. Take my cert to show. Identify which crop is being hit in which field. I dress well and am polite and have business cards made up which I hand over on introduction. Always thank them for their time. Your correct. I have been going further afield in my searches but still to no avail. Why people pay to shoot pests is beyond me. I do have a permission but I would prefer to have the luxury of having a choice Ones better than none be grateful for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, TVPC said: I have been going further afield in my searches but still to no avail. Why people pay to shoot pests is beyond me. I do have a permission but I would prefer to have the luxury of having a choice Possibly because it was the only way they could get any permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, TVPC said: I have Ngo insurance. Take my cert to show. Identify which crop is being hit in which field. I dress well and am polite and have business cards made up which I hand over on introduction. Always thank them for their time. sounds like your half way there picked up all my perms by knocking ready to shoot lot of farmers will take a chance if your ready to go even if it’s just to keep them of for the day farmers knock back day trippers in trainers waving perm slips all the time very rare I get a no these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVPC Posted January 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, clangerman said: sounds like your half way there picked up all my perms by knocking ready to shoot lot of farmers will take a chance if your ready to go even if it’s just to keep them of for the day farmers knock back day trippers in trainers waving perm slips all the time very rare I get a no these days I was told its rude to turn up with your gear expecting to get on. Although I have pondered on this, and as a last resort asking for a single go at them And if I do a decent job then go from there. I do get alot of "thanks but no thanks as I've already got someone". I guess if I had my gear with me I could go down the route of saying "well there not here now, and the crops getting hit"? Not in a cheeky way but you get my drift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, TVPC said: I was told its rude to turn up with your gear expecting to get on. Although I have pondered on this, and as a last resort asking for a single go at them And if I do a decent job then go from there. I do get alot of "thanks but no thanks as I've already got someone". I guess if I had my gear with me I could go down the route of saying "well there not here now, and the crops getting hit"? Not in a cheeky way but you get my drift AKA stealing someone else's hard gained permission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 Would you be happy if someone turned up at your permission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, TVPC said: I was told its rude to turn up with your gear expecting to get on. Although I have pondered on this, and as a last resort asking for a single go at them And if I do a decent job then go from there. I do get alot of "thanks but no thanks as I've already got someone". I guess if I had my gear with me I could go down the route of saying "well there not here now, and the crops getting hit"? Not in a cheeky way but you get my drift I always go with (would you like me to keep them of for you) looking the part is half the job if your there ready to go it’s much more tempting to say yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVPC Posted January 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: AKA stealing someone else's hard gained permission? You dont try, you dont get is what I've learned. And it's a cutthroat sport , So no I'm not stealing. I'm simply offering, and the land owner has the say at the end of the day I share my only permission, I'm not greedy and I take newcomers out who are looking to get into shooting. 9 minutes ago, clangerman said: I always go with (would you like me to keep them of for you) looking the part is half the job if your there ready to go it’s much more tempting to say yes I will bare this in mind when I'm out and about in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, TVPC said: You dont try, you dont get is what I've learned. And it's a cutthroat sport , So no I'm not stealing. I'm simply offering, and the land owner has the say at the end of the day absolutely correct farmers own the perm not half a job joe never lost a perm but had more than one farmer kick mr slacker of and ring me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 Some fascinating viewpoints in this thread! I do hope that you never have your permission stolen because you weren't there one day due to work or illness or even a holiday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Some fascinating viewpoints in this thread! I do hope that you never have your permission stolen because you weren't there one day due to work or illness or even a holiday! zero chance if unavailable I will have someone on a field next day every time without fail it’s one of the ways I keep my perms no such thing as stealing a perm your there to get a job done nothing else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 Stolen is a harsh word. If the farmer is that fickle then best of luck to them getting a committed regular, long term pest controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, WalkedUp said: Stolen is a harsh word. If the farmer is that fickle then best of luck to them getting a committed regular, long term pest controller. What word would you prefer I used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVPC Posted January 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Some fascinating viewpoints in this thread! I do hope that you never have your permission stolen because you weren't there one day due to work or illness or even a holiday! How else would you get a permission then? I understand that loyalty involved etc. But I have also at times had a knock back but been told they havent seen their regular guy for a while. So how do you weigh it up. The one thing I've learned about shooting is that everyone looks after themselves. I'm not trying to sound obstinate. Just giving my observations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, TVPC said: How else would you get a permission then? I understand that loyalty involved etc. But I have also at times had a knock back but been told they havent seen their regular guy for a while. So how do you weigh it up. The one thing I've learned about shooting is that everyone looks after themselves. I'm not trying to sound obstinate. Just giving my observations if you ever get someone crying this is my perm just tell them to take it up with the farmer you never see them again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 My best advice is don’t start with the whole farm. Identify one field of OSR, and ask if you can just shoot that until the crop matures, say all access will be on foot. Prove your worth, dont live in in the farmers pocket, check in occasionally with him/her occasionally, no more than once in every three weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 7 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: What word would you prefer I used? Borrowed 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, WalkedUp said: Borrowed 🤣 Hello, hello, hello, I am investigating the borrowing of a shooting permission said PC Plod. Do you know anything about a shooting permission being borrowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 I have never knowingly borrowed a shooting permission. If a landowner says they already have someone on the permission I read that as a girl saying they have a already boyfriend, just a kind way of letting you down gently rather than a suggestion of a quickie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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