Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

[Penelope]

Just now, ditchman said:

and alot of their money is tied up in the west....

Major loan defaults on the Belt & Road programme, property in disarray, mortgage payments being withheld, etc........

[Rem260]

1 hour ago, Mungler said:

In other news, mass graves found in Izium. No doubt more MSM lies.

Not MSM lies but a bit of a mis direction. Mass graves imply large graves with many interned in the same grave. Most of those show are individual graves with one communal grave for soldiers who came from the morgue. The sad fact is lots of people die when fighting for large cities/towns. The press are trying infer its a mass grave of a war crime. (Not debating the moral aspect of the invasion)

[Mungler]

2 hours ago, Rem260 said:

Not MSM lies but a bit of a mis direction. Mass graves imply large graves with many interned in the same grave. Most of those show are individual graves with one communal grave for soldiers who came from the morgue. The sad fact is lots of people die when fighting for large cities/towns. The press are trying infer its a mass grave of a war crime. (Not debating the moral aspect of the invasion)

 

We will know more when they add up the number of women, children and those with their hands tied.

 

[Rewulf]

2 hours ago, Mungler said:

e will know more when they add up the number of women, children and those with their hands tied.

Its a good job the Russians did their utmost to hide this heinous crime, by using all those crosses to cover it up.
I know theyre inept murdering orc scum , but if youre going to commit mass murder/war crimes, dont you think they could have hidden the evidence better ?

Some interesting comments from big Z .

Zelensky said during his address on Thursday that Russia must be held accountable for deaths there, and in other cities where large numbers of bodies had been found.

“Bucha, Mariupol and now, unfortunately, Izium… Russia leaves death everywhere. And must be responsible for it. The world must hold Russia to real responsibility for this war. We will do everything for this,” he added.

Hes not waiting for any namby pamby investigation, or post mortems, 'its dem Russkies what dan it mista , saw it wiv me own two eyes I did !

On the question of post mortems...

 

Serhii Bolvinov, the chief police investigator for the Kharkiv region, earlier told Britain’s Sky News that there may be other mass burial sites in the Kharkiv area.

Talking specifically about the 440 graves, Bolvinov told Sky News exhumations so far showed the victims died from various causes.

“We know that some were killed (shot dead), some died because of artillery fire, so-called mine explosion traumas. Some died because of airstrikes. Also we have information that a lot of bodies have not been identified yet. So the reasons of death will be established during the investigations,” 

The shot ones aside, Id love to know from looking at a blown up corpse , how they managed to discern what it is they got blown up by ?
One thing they definitely didnt  get blown up by , was the relentless Ukrainian artillery barrages directed at the town since the Russians took it, no doubt it was the Russians shelling themselves again ?

Or it could all be just as the Ukrainians say it is, and this IS a crusade against the forces of evil, evil nazi Russians , that need to be wiped from existence.
What are we all waiting for ?
We need to get out there and stop this horde before they get us too .. Deus Vult !! 

[Rewulf]

This man is not singing from the correct song sheet, former US marine intel Scott Ritter, more like Russian SPY !

 

[ordnance]

11 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Its a good job the Russians did their utmost to hide this heinous crime, by using all those crosses to cover it up.
I know theyre inept murdering orc scum , but if youre going to commit mass murder/war crimes, dont you think they could have hidden the evidence better ?

Some interesting comments from big Z .

Zelensky said during his address on Thursday that Russia must be held accountable for deaths there, and in other cities where large numbers of bodies had been found.

“Bucha, Mariupol and now, unfortunately, Izium… Russia leaves death everywhere. And must be responsible for it. The world must hold Russia to real responsibility for this war. We will do everything for this,” he added.

Hes not waiting for any namby pamby investigation, or post mortems, 'its dem Russkies what dan it mista , saw it wiv me own two eyes I did !

On the question of post mortems...

 

Serhii Bolvinov, the chief police investigator for the Kharkiv region, earlier told Britain’s Sky News that there may be other mass burial sites in the Kharkiv area.

Talking specifically about the 440 graves, Bolvinov told Sky News exhumations so far showed the victims died from various causes.

“We know that some were killed (shot dead), some died because of artillery fire, so-called mine explosion traumas. Some died because of airstrikes. Also we have information that a lot of bodies have not been identified yet. So the reasons of death will be established during the investigations,” 

The shot ones aside, Id love to know from looking at a blown up corpse , how they managed to discern what it is they got blown up by ?
One thing they definitely didnt  get blown up by , was the relentless Ukrainian artillery barrages directed at the town since the Russians took it, no doubt it was the Russians shelling themselves again ?

Or it could all be just as the Ukrainians say it is, and this IS a crusade against the forces of evil, evil nazi Russians , that need to be wiped from existence.
What are we all waiting for ?
We need to get out there and stop this horde before they get us too .. Deus Vult !! 

What evidence do you have that the Ukrainians relentlessly shelled the town ? Regardless they would still be alive If Russia had not invaded their country in the first place. 

[ordnance]

21 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

This man is not singing from the correct song sheet, former US marine intel Scott Ritter, more like Russian SPY !

 

Why would anyone place any credence on what a retired American marine thought 🤔 As for her she's a know pro Russian conspiracy theorist, who next Russell Brand 😂

Edited September 16, 2022 by ordnance

[Rewulf]

6 minutes ago, ordnance said:

What evidence do you have that the Ukrainians relentlessly shelled the town ?

Evidence ? Who needs evidence ?
They dont need evidence Russia killed 440 people do they ?

 

7 minutes ago, ordnance said:

Regardless they would still be alive If Russia had not invaded their country in the first place. 

What you say ? Is that whataboutery ?
Heres some more , there would be a lot of people still alive in Iraq, Afghan and Syria , if we hadnt got our sticky fingers in there.
And a whole lot less terrorism, oh and refugees, a lot less of them too 😜

Just now, ordnance said:

Why would anyone place any credence on what a retired American marine thought 🤔

You forgot the conspiracy theorist and convicted sex offender , do your research man 😄
Multiple war veteran , weapons inspector, respected analyst, nah , why would you listen to him , hes not agreeing with the party line , ignore him and move on.

[ordnance]

9 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Evidence ? Who needs evidence ?
They dont need evidence Russia killed 440 people do they ?

 

What you say ? Is that whataboutery ?
Heres some more , there would be a lot of people still alive in Iraq, Afghan and Syria , if we hadnt got our sticky fingers in there.
And a whole lot less terrorism, oh and refugees, a lot less of them too 😜

You posted that Ukraine relentlessly shelled the town, I was assuming you had evidence of that If you posted it 🤔

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, ordnance said:

ou posted that Ukraine relentlessly shelled the town, I was assuming you had evidence of that If you posted it

Someone shelled the town because theres barely a house standing  , must have been the Russians, while they were in occupation of it 

[Mungler]

No that’s right. The Russians packed their artillery with best wishes and good vibes, and the dead Ukrainians were killed by Russian kindness 🙄

We’ll see soon enough. I think Zelensky and the Ukrainians would have had advanced knowledge of war crimes prior to recapturing the region, so the speed by which they condemn the Russian invaders is no indication that they don’t know of what they speak.

 

12 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Someone shelled the town because theres barely a house standing  , must have been the Russians, while they were in occupation of it 

Yeah must of been the Ukrainians - that stands to reason 😀

Towns didn’t tend to let the Russian invaders in unresisted. The Russians shell towns and then seek to occupy the territory gained.

The Ukrainian counter attack was so swift, you couldn’t level a town like that in the weekend it took to retake it and the Ukrainians just don’t have the volume of munitions.

[oowee]

Russia is operating at 20% 🤣 20% of the force might be inmates? 

 

[Mungler]

3 minutes ago, oowee said:

Russia is operating at 20% 🤣 20% of the force might be inmates? 

 

The current big Wagner recruitment drive is from Russian prisons. 

[Rewulf]

9 minutes ago, Mungler said:

We’ll see soon enough. I think Zelensky and the Ukrainians would have had advanced knowledge of war crimes prior to recapturing the region, so the speed by which they condemn the Russian invaders is no indication that they don’t know of what they speak.

Ill bet they did 😆

10 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Yeah must of been the Ukrainians - that stands to reason

I know right , Izyum being on a big road and rail junction, and a huge logistics hub for Russian forces, from which they launched attacks south and west, theres absolutely no reason for Ukraine to shell them is there ? 
Give me strength 🤪

[Mungler]

7 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Ill bet they did 😆

I know right , Izyum being on a big road and rail junction, and a huge logistics hub for Russian forces, from which they launched attacks south and west, theres absolutely no reason for Ukraine to shell them is there ? 
Give me strength 🤪

Yes and when the Russian forces arrived on the outskirts of the town, the locals just said ‘come on in’ without any resistance and the Russian artillery pounded the town into submission with good vibes and kindness. 

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Yes and when the Russian forces arrived on the outskirts of the town, the locals just said ‘come on in’ without any resistance and the Russian artillery pounded the town into submission with good vibes and kindness. 

How do you know , were you there ?😆

Let me guess , UKRinform ?

[12gauge82]

I think the point is, unless ukraine has pulled the mother of all false flag operations and managed to invade itself while blaming the innocent russians. 

The bottom line is Russia invaded a peaceful country, so ultimately, Russia is responsible. 

[welsh1]

9 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I think the point is, unless ukraine has pulled the mother of all false flag operations and managed to invade itself while blaming the innocent russians. 

The bottom line is Russia invaded a peaceful country, so ultimately, Russia is responsible. 

Oh come on Russia is innocent, they just took a wrong turn and happened to land in another country, and while trying to find their way out they have used some munitions to light their way.
They are not an invading force they are just lost.

[Rewulf]

9 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

The bottom line is Russia invaded a peaceful country, so ultimately, Russia is responsible. 

Cant argue with that.

But suggestions of what to do about it seem somewhat scarce.

Lets do the blame game and war crimes trials later, doing them now is utterly pointless.
At the moment , theres two paths, escalation or de escalation, if Russia mobilises and starts using tactical nukes, there isnt a whole lot the west (or Ukraine) can do about it , without more escalation to you know where...
The time now, is to talk about some kind of peace process, its just whether NATO/US warmongers will let Ukraine do it ?

[ordnance]

19 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

How do you know , were you there ?😆

Let me guess , UKRinform ?

That question should be put you.

 

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, ordnance said:

That question should be put you.

I get my info straight out the Kremlin apparently 😜

[ordnance]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Cant argue with that.

But suggestions of what to do about it seem somewhat scarce.

Lets do the blame game and war crimes trials later, doing them now is utterly pointless.
At the moment , theres two paths, escalation or de escalation, if Russia mobilises and starts using tactical nukes, there isnt a whole lot the west (or Ukraine) can do about it , without more escalation to you know where...
The time now, is to talk about some kind of peace process, its just whether NATO/US warmongers will let Ukraine do it ?

Russia mobilising what would that achieve troops need trained and armed, that takes time and equipment something Russia is running out of. If they can't achieve their objectives with their regular troops, sending in poorly equipped and trained conscripts will just add to their body count.

 

[12gauge82]

24 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Oh come on Russia is innocent, they just took a wrong turn and happened to land in another country, and while trying to find their way out they have used some munitions to light their way.
They are not an invading force they are just lost.

😂😂😂😭👍

[Mungler]

37 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I think the point is, unless ukraine has pulled the mother of all false flag operations and managed to invade itself while blaming the innocent russians. 

The bottom line is Russia invaded a peaceful country, so ultimately, Russia is responsible. 

Spot on

26 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Oh come on Russia is innocent, they just took a wrong turn and happened to land in another country, and while trying to find their way out they have used some munitions to light their way.
They are not an invading force they are just lost.

Very good. Mind you, there’s one or two who actually believe that.

[Rewulf]

10 minutes ago, ordnance said:

Russia mobilising what would that achieve troops need trained and armed, that takes time and equipment something Russia is running out of. If they can't achieve their objectives with their regular troops, sending in poorly equipped and trained conscripts will just add to their body count.

They arent 'conscripts' , Russia has national service , there are 2 million plus reservists, plus mobilisation means far more than just mobilising troops , its about putting the whole country on a war footing , industry ect.
You dont call out reservists/TA ,conscripts do you ?

 

3 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Very good. Mind you, there’s one or two who actually believe that.

Not on this thread.
Mind you , theres a few who still dont think its a proxy war, and Maidan was just democracy at work 🤪