old man Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Talk about "I'm alright Jack!" You might think you will be unaffected by this. You are wrong. Apart from anything else, anything delivered via truck - in other words, absolutely everything - will become more expensive. Before someone pipes up with "Good, polluter pays" - why must everything in this country be done with the stick, and no carrot? Whether or not you believe in anthropogenic climate change, at least other countries signed up to net zero are not relentlessly financially punishing people for wanting to have a decent standard of living. The first blows have already been struck? The climate garbage? The Truss and Kwarteng debacle? The energy debacle? All aimed to enslave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Even when it hits you square in the wallet? Or even...when your children /grandchildren can't enjoy the freedoms you took for granted. Will you care then? Sadly, we can care all we like. twill not matter a jot to the politicos agendas. All hidden and working to the same ends via different routes? 2 hours ago, Mungler said: And that's part of the reason I am warming up to the French... Possibly lots of our neighbours have a more healthy attitude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Mungler said: And that's part of the reason I am warming up to the French... Funnily enough I had the French in mind when I posted it. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Scully said: Funnily enough I had the French in mind when I posted it. 🙂 You have to admire their ability to get out on the streets and let everyone know when they’re unhappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Mungler said: You have to admire their ability to get out on the streets and let everyone know when they’re unhappy Without a doubt. I wish we as a country were a lot more confrontational when we were peed off with bureaucracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, Scully said: Without a doubt. I wish we as a country were a lot more confrontational when we were peed off with bureaucracy. The British are just too polite, we wouldn't want to offend anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 14 hours ago, Mungler said: You have to admire their ability to get out on the streets and let everyone know when they’re unhappy Indeed; we need this coming over in dinghies, not economic migrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 The same people who are pulling the strings behind the introduction of the ULEZ in London have also got their sights set firmly on on woodburning and multi fuel stoves. Because they too are 'dirty'. These people win because (as we know) they just never give up. They just keep chipping away relentlessly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 26 minutes ago, Vince Green said: The same people who are pulling the strings behind the introduction of the ULEZ in London have also got their sights set firmly on on woodburning and multi fuel stoves. Because they too are 'dirty'. These people win because (as we know) they just never give up. They just keep chipping away relentlessly Wood burning stoves are possibly the only remaining method of providing yourself with warmth that is completely free to use and free from external interference. Government doesn't like that as there isn't a way in which they can insert control or an easy method of squeezing tax out of it. You can burn as much or as little as you like and nobody can really do anything about it. (Some smoke control areas etc accepted) At this time of energy insecurity a multi fuel stove is (IMO) a life essential piece of kit. No amount of Government twittery and mismanagement of energy policy will see you go cold in the event of a south Africa style energy rationing timetable being enforced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Poor Shot said: Wood burning stoves are possibly the only remaining method of providing yourself with warmth that is completely free to use and free from external interference. Government doesn't like that as there isn't a way in which they can insert control or an easy method of squeezing tax out of it. You can burn as much or as little as you like and nobody can really do anything about it. (Some smoke control areas etc accepted) At this time of energy insecurity a multi fuel stove is (IMO) a life essential piece of kit. No amount of Government twittery and mismanagement of energy policy will see you go cold in the event of a south Africa style energy rationing timetable being enforced. It's not the government that's driving these policies. It's so called academics with nothing better to do and environmental pressure groups with hidden agendas Look at one crackpot suggestion in isolation and you think how stupid. Look at them all collectively and you start to see a pattern emerging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: It's not the government that's driving these policies. It's so called academics with nothing better to do and environmental pressure groups with hidden agendas Look at one crackpot suggestion in isolation and you think how stupid. Look at them all collectively and you start to see a pattern emerging 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 All of these proposals damage, weaken or destabilise some aspect of the British economy and make it harder for somebody to do their job or run their business. It never ever comes out better for us or the country. Can this be a coincidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Vince Green said: Look at one crackpot suggestion in isolation and you think how stupid. Look at them all collectively and you start to see a pattern emerging Death from a thousand cuts I hope that people have completed the online consultations for Digital ID's and Central Bank Digital Currency (The former closed last night) Edited March 1, 2023 by discobob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 4, 2023 Report Share Posted March 4, 2023 On 01/03/2023 at 15:19, Vince Green said: All of these proposals damage, weaken or destabilise some aspect of the British economy and make it harder for somebody to do their job or run their business. It never ever comes out better for us or the country. Can this be a coincidence? No coincidence, driven by a hidden few? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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