The Energy Bill

[12gauge82]

50 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

And you think labour will get rid of it when they come to power, if anything they would be the ones to hasten it along, look across the border to Wales at the labour dictatorship to see what labour will do.

Absolutely not no, Labour would definitely be even worse.

The Conservatives siphon our money off to their rich mates.

I'm voting reform and yes I know "wasted vote" ect ect ect but so is any of the main parties, a vote for them is a vote for the status quo, at least if enough vote for reform, reclaim ect, we might get a hung parliament, but the big parties will have to sit up and listen and start delivery of what the voters want, or else they will loose power altogether as fringe parties grow. Either way this country needs change.

 

Edited September 11, 2023 by 12gauge82

[Scully]

40 minutes ago, discobob said:

TBH I almost joined XTwitter to have a go at him

It is a shame as he seemed to be a decent down to earth guy - obviously has been introduced to the WEF and the brain washing machine.......

I would but am banned. 

[old man]

On 10/09/2023 at 15:56, 12gauge82 said:

Got to be honest, other than knowing a general push towards so called green policys, I was not aware of any specific legislation about to come in. Ive had a look and drawn a blank, could anyone list a few of the most concerning ones?

 

What annoys me is the UK produces less than 1% of world pollution, yet China produces 30% and simply doesn't care. We could literally stop all pollution over night and it would make no difference at all, why are we forcing millions of our own citizens into poverty for no sensible reason.

Simply because under our Very poor form democracy, they can do as they like without opposition?

[12gauge82]

38 minutes ago, old man said:

Simply because under our Very poor form democracy, they can do as they like without opposition?

Definitely. We as 'the people' need to remind them at the ballot box they work for us and not the other way round.

[Acerforestry]

I'm afraid my view is that at present all political parties are different cheeks of same backside, you will either get the same result or worse with the other options. Also, these net zero visions are not limited to the UK, I beleieve a lot of this will apply in Europe, too, in varying degrees.

[old man]

2 hours ago, Acerforestry said:

I'm afraid my view is that at present all political parties are different cheeks of same backside, you will either get the same result or worse with the other options. Also, these net zero visions are not limited to the UK, I beleieve a lot of this will apply in Europe, too, in varying degrees.

True but they don't have the same impact maybe? 

[Acerforestry]

I'm unsure. There is a man on youtube from Norway who posts topical videos on a variety of subjects, and one of his narratives a a number of months back was that exactly the same kind of theme is going to be played out there in the very near future - make your home compliant with new green requirements, again costing by most standards an awful lot of money, or be heavily fined, until your property is compliant. Try to sell it? You can't, until its compliant. Try to rent it...well, you can guess

[discobob]

20 minutes ago, Acerforestry said:

I'm unsure. There is a man on youtube from Norway who posts topical videos on a variety of subjects, and one of his narratives a a number of months back was that exactly the same kind of theme is going to be played out there in the very near future - make your home compliant with new green requirements, again costing by most standards an awful lot of money, or be heavily fined, until your property is compliant. Try to sell it? You can't, until its compliant. Try to rent it...well, you can guess

Again, I put this up months ago. @Penelope recalls it

just remember, taken individually, nothing makes sense - but when you do see the bigger picture it all makes sense

20mph (Wales), ULEZ (England and Scotland), 15 minute town being built (Scotland), rewinding(Wales and England), Farms being taken over (Benelux and Tri City), The Line (gulf), Euthenasia (Canada), CBDC (Nigeria and i think Jamaica -might be Barbados) , Closing of Bank accounts (UK and Canada)

we are in a war being waged against us, by non elected supra national organisations and the Elites/Billionaires that fund them

Nearly every organisation has been bought out by the likes of Blackrock or been neutered by their ESG’s, or funded by the likes of Bill Gates and we cannot trust what is being reported  to us 

[12gauge82]

11 minutes ago, discobob said:

Again, I put this up months ago. @Penelope recalls it

just remember, taken individually, nothing makes sense - but when you do see the bigger picture it all makes sense

20mph (Wales), ULEZ (England and Scotland), 15 minute town being built (Scotland), rewinding(Wales and England), Farms being taken over (Benelux and Tri City), The Line (gulf), Euthenasia (Canada), CBDC (Nigeria and i think Jamaica -might be Barbados) , Closing of Bank accounts (UK and Canada)

we are in a war being waged against us, by non elected supra national organisations and the Elites/Billionaires that fund them

Nearly every organisation has been bought out by the likes of Blackrock or been neutered by their ESG’s, or funded by the likes of Bill Gates and we cannot trust what is being reported  to us 

I should imagine all the news sorcues both left and right are also owned or at least partly funded by the same people.

The problem is, what can we do about it. Best I can think of is vote in a party that isn't the status quo?

[Acerforestry]

Absolutely Bob, you have your finger on the pulse and all this now gaining momentum, sadly the masses have no clue what is just around the corner. How I wish I could escape well away from Europe because here and the Nato countries are going to be hit the hardest, check out the 2017 Deagal stats for 2025

Edited September 11, 2023 by Acerforestry

[discobob]

5 minutes ago, Acerforestry said:

Absolutely Bob, you have your finger on the pulse and all this now gaining momentum, sadly the masses have no clue what is just around the corner. How I wish I could escape well away from Europe because here and the Nato countries are going to be hit the hardest, check out the 2017 Deagal stats for 2025

Some people reckon that it is happening because THEY are panicked but the other side is that they could also be gaining confidence since the coof and the compliance they witnessed all over the world. 
 

I would say that maybe some of the best places to go are former soviet block countries as they have seen it all before and are less willing to comply

People need to look beyond LGBT and race etc as these things are there to distract and divide the people - and a divided country is easy to conquer

[Stonepark]

21 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

 

 

 

One of Reform UK's  first policies is to raise the income tax exemption to £20,000.

 

This means that anyone on minimum wage or the living wage basically does not pay income tax.

 

As poor people spend all their money, whilst rich people only often spend a proportion of their money, the rich get richer and inflation drives the poor into the gutter.

 

Any money not taken as tax gets spent by the poor, generating tax elsewhere but can circulates cash, generates sales and employment so much so it offsets the loss of income tax and benefits the poorest most.

The Uniparty keep raising tax, the opposite of what they need to do to stimulate the economy.

[Acerforestry]

10 minutes ago, discobob said:

Some people reckon that it is happening because THEY are panicked but the other side is that they could also be gaining confidence since the coof and the compliance they witnessed all over the world. 
 

I would say that maybe some of the best places to go are former soviet block countries as they have seen it all before and are less willing to comply

People need to look beyond LGBT and race etc as these things are there to distract and divide the people - and a divided country is easy to conquer

You are right about eastern block, according to a video I saw on bitchute a few days back the president of Belarus whom I'm pretty sure has been vilified as a monster, a tyrant - actually tried to protect his people from a lot of the disastrous covid policies that ruined economies and more, elsewhere, (video footage to prove) refusing to cooperate with the global trend. Hence the character assasination 

[Stonepark]

7 minutes ago, Acerforestry said:

You are right about eastern block, according to a video I saw on bitchute a few days back the president of Belarus whom I'm pretty sure has been vilified as a monster, a tyrant - actually tried to protect his people from a lot of the disastrous covid policies that ruined economies and more, elsewhere, (video footage to prove) refusing to cooperate with the global trend. Hence the character assasination 

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[discobob]

Look how they got rid of Liz Truss - she had similar ideas about driving the economy. They crashed the markets so the could impersonate Donald Sutherland at the end of “Invasion of the Bodysnatchers” to get her out

I believe Hungary is another liberalist country - and Poland seems to be putting up a bit of a fight

[udderlyoffroad]

11 hours ago, discobob said:

Look how they got rid of Liz Truss - she had similar ideas about driving the economy. They crashed the markets so the could impersonate Donald Sutherland at the end of “Invasion of the Bodysnatchers” to get her out

 There was a brief wobble on the guilt markets, not something the media or the opposition have ever previously shown any interest in.  What crashed the economy was the previous chancellor - one R Sunak - spaffling £400bn on a virus no deadlier than normal flu, and his boss shutting the economy for 18 months. 

Liz' poorly communicated attempt at a return to actual conservative policies barely made a dent.  Yet still this nonsense about her 'crashing the economy' persists.  A lie can be 9 times round the world before the truth has got its boots on...

 

11 hours ago, discobob said:

I believe Hungary is another liberalist country - and Poland seems to be putting up a bit of a fight

Thing is, Orban is hardly a lover of democracy, and has fully embraced crony-ism.  Nevertheless he still wins substantial votes, even if he keeps referring back to "How to ensure victory in elections" by V Putin.

11 hours ago, Acerforestry said:

You are right about eastern block, according to a video I saw on bitchute a few days back the president of Belarus whom I'm pretty sure has been vilified as a monster, a tyran

Lukeschenko is, again, best buds with Vlad and is definitely not a lover of democracy either.  Vilified or not in Western media, I ain't looking to 'White Russia' for a solution.

[Weihrauch17]

Have a read.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-energy-bill-a-plague-on-all-our-ordinary-houses/?fbclid=IwAR3THl1cEpMr6DCEBNjWTIsurKe4KEDaTj8WwR9I8e6qDyrEb4hKGzL9OuM

[12gauge82]

7 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Have a read.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-energy-bill-a-plague-on-all-our-ordinary-houses/?fbclid=IwAR3THl1cEpMr6DCEBNjWTIsurKe4KEDaTj8WwR9I8e6qDyrEb4hKGzL9OuM

We are literally living in a dl dystopia future.

We need to vote someone else in before it's too late.

[Weihrauch17]

9 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

We are literally living in a dl dystopia future.

We need to vote someone else in before it's too late.

Absolutely and when people wake up and see the reality I wouldn't fancy being an MP, if they want to take us back to the dark ages it won't be without a return to the old ways of justice.

[udderlyoffroad]

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

We are literally living in a dl dystopia future.

We need to vote someone else in before it's too late.

I think the Westminster bubble has horribly underestimated how sick people are of the Net Zero push.

ULEZ swung the Uxbridge by-election, it’s not hard to see how this could scale up.

Sadly it’ll probably scale up to a coalition hellscape with various independents & third party MPs on the opposition benches.

Wonder if the BBC will be caught as off-guard by the next GE result as they were for the Brexit referendum. Probably!

[Acerforestry]

11 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

 There was a brief wobble on the guilt markets, not something the media or the opposition have ever previously shown any interest in.  What crashed the economy was the previous chancellor - one R Sunak - spaffling £400bn on a virus no deadlier than normal flu, and his boss shutting the economy for 18 months. 

Liz' poorly communicated attempt at a return to actual conservative policies barely made a dent.  Yet still this nonsense about her 'crashing the economy' persists.  A lie can be 9 times round the world before the truth has got its boots on...

 

Thing is, Orban is hardly a lover of democracy, and has fully embraced crony-ism.  Nevertheless he still wins substantial votes, even if he keeps referring back to "How to ensure victory in elections" by V Putin.

Lukeschenko is, again, best buds with Vlad and is definitely not a lover of democracy either.  Vilified or not in Western media, I ain't looking to 'White Russia' for a solution.

I get your gist but but given the options of "not being a lover of democracy" leader or being  "out and out  totalitarian crackpot who appears to want his countrymen  starved, frozen and homeless" I think i'll go with the former, its a tad better

[discobob]

If you only watch a bit - from 45 minutes in

[old man]

14 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

We are literally living in a dl dystopia future.

We need to vote someone else in before it's too late.

Why some are still of the opinion that politicians are working for the populace frankly amazes me.

For years now the people have just been reduced to being a commodity to plunder and exploit at will.

[discobob]

10 minutes ago, old man said:

Why some are still of the opinion that politicians are working for the populace frankly amazes me.

For years now the people have just been reduced to being a commodity to plunder and exploit at will.

They want to get rid of cattle as they have a new animal to milk......

Extreme Capitalism has gone so far right, and Extreme Socialism has gone so far left that they have met on the other side, and have fathered an unimaginable beast - that is now coming to get all of us

[old man]

1 hour ago, discobob said:

They want to get rid of cattle as they have a new animal to milk......

Extreme Capitalism has gone so far right, and Extreme Socialism has gone so far left that they have met on the other side, and have fathered an unimaginable beast - that is now coming to get all of us

How to level the field? Mm, one for greater access to a crystal ball than I have.