Old England

[yates]

On 06/10/2023 at 12:02, Yellow Bear said:

Of the 3 you mentioned only Northumberland, but perhaps North Yorkshire

Northumberland has very little of the old England left. Its fast become the 'new Cornwall ' where as lots of village properties have either been bought as second homes or by monied people who have no idea about community living or values. I'll get off my high horse now as this is quite an emotive subject for me

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On 06/10/2023 at 12:02, amateur said:

Isle of Wight.

 

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On 06/10/2023 at 12:02, Yellow Bear said:

Of the 3 you mentioned only Northumberland, but perhaps North Yorkshire

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On 06/10/2023 at 12:22, JohnfromUK said:

I can only really comment on the Cotswolds.  It has the 'look' of Old England if you are a bit careful where you look, but sadly now much of the culture is overwhelmed by this being the area where many of London's wealthy have their weekend retreats (even known locally and now more widely as "The Chipping Norton Set").

Yes, it's a lovely area, and the landscape and old buildings are still there - but much of the local atmosphere is now centered around it being the escape from London for the weekend, the 'Soho Farmhouse' set, and loads of 'names' (Clarkson, Beckham, Cameron, and a few examples here https://www.cotswolds.info/famouspeople/celebrities-cotswold-homes.shtml )

Yes, there are still backwaters, but not so easy to find now.

As an aside, if you are coming to the area, next year's Game Fair is in the Cotswold area at Blenheim Palace .........

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On 06/10/2023 at 13:46, johnphilip said:

Teesdale  Co Durham 

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On 06/10/2023 at 13:48, oldypigeonpopper said:

nice post 👍 what county is the author buried a where is scatterbrook farm? 

Scatterbrook farm/The 10 acre field is in Bedfordshire and the author is buried in Northamptonshire.

On 06/10/2023 at 13:57, Penelope said:

Herefordshire along the Wye Valley.

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On 06/10/2023 at 14:06, Centrepin said:

Many of the Derbyshire villages are as yet unspoilt however parking on a weekend is horrendous. If you like Robin Hood still, Little John's grave is untouched behind the church in Hathersage. The plague village of Eyam is also worth a visit. The Wells dressings are well worth seeing.

There are also some beautiful places still unspoilt in Norfolk including a couple of 10th century churches.

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On 06/10/2023 at 14:10, Scully said:

Sadly I’m not so sure it exists anymore in the sense you describe. 
There are some wonderful villages in N. Yorkshire with the traditional cottages around the village green, and one or two in Cumbria, but nothing is untouched nowadays.
It can’t be if people want to live in a modern world. 
There are many places where it’s possible to see what it once was, but even Staines has caught up nowadays so I’m told. 🙂

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On 06/10/2023 at 14:23, ditchman said:

i think you have missed the boat..........its past.....gone....just a few scraps here and there and a few people who hold memories...........

perversly....when we want a quiet hloiday of the past with old values............we go to Ireland 

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On 06/10/2023 at 15:55, Yellow Bear said:

Could try Bampton at whit for tradition.

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On 06/10/2023 at 17:23, Wymondley said:

I get what you mean, I love English films from the 50s and 60s, when life seemed simple and uncomplicated.

I've traveled round most parts of England and think there's still a bit of "old England" left tucked away in most counties if you look.

If you want traditional rolling countryside unspoilt by tourists try south Leicestershire down into west Northamptonshire.

Lots of nice villages with decent pubs, it's always surprised me it's not a more popular area.

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On 06/10/2023 at 17:31, McSpredder said:

Nostalgia  -  come on holiday from the land of Ballykissangel to the land of Heartbeat.

To invert the OP’s question, where would one go to find “Old Ireland”, that paradise described in Gerald Fitzgerald’s book “Pot Luck - Rough shooting in the West of Ireland”, where snipe and duck shooting seemed to be so readily available?   Has it disappeared, like the earlier world of “The Irish RM” as portrayed by Somerville and Ross?

I've read the book but never have hunted down the West. Unfortunately the so called ''Celtic Tiger'' ruined a lot of good shooting ground with the 10yr none stop building boom. It certainly put an end to a lot of the tramping grounds of my youth. Farmers were selling half acre sites for 40/50 k and became known as (sell-a-site-farmers) As a border county, a lot of people took advantage of the strength of the Sterling to the Euro and started buying up sites and building huge houses. That and greedy farmers ripping out hedges and draining grounds to squeeze another acre or two of arable in has destroyed much of the rough shooting ground of my youth.

Another good book is My Ireland by Lord Dunsany. A keen sportsman who's family own one of the biggest estates in Ireland. Apparently a well liked and respected English family up until the present day ''Lord'' who stopped all hunting,shooting on land that generation's of locals had shot and hunted. It didn't go down well and you can read uo on it if you wish. The estate is located in Meath which I have visited and there is some stunning countryside around the area and is not far from the Hill of Tara.

On 06/10/2023 at 21:22, shaun4860 said:

Nothing in Northumberland.

Weather is always rubbish.

No scenery to speak of.

No history in the whole place.

Beaches are all polluted and full of sea coal

Nothing to see here, move along now.

Down south is far better, Old England is rampant down there 😇

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On 07/10/2023 at 09:27, marsh man said:

I would have said my county of Norfolk , but sadly we are loseing the image of thatched roof cottages with the ole fashion English gardens at an alarming rate , some of this is due to people with deep pockets buying the houses as second homes and no way can the locals afford to buy even a very small cottage , as an example if you look what the average house prices are in Burnham Market you will see on Right Move website they are now £800,929 .this is the same on a slightly smaller scale in the ole fishing villages such as Blakeney , Wells , Holkham and Cley .

Having said that we still have a way of life that is slow and carefree compared to the industrial places in the Midlands and the Broadland area is well worth a visit as the heyday with holiday boats seem to have slowed down a lot mainly due to the high cost of hiring a pleasure boat.

Suffolk have also got some nice places such as South Wold and the small villages in that area , but as London Best stated you would need to go back in time to see England at it's best and now we just clinging on to the left overs .    MM

👍 One day I hope to go back to Norfolk Marshman.  And do the Peter Scott Walk and maybe visit Kenzie's Thorpes grave and take the family for fish & chips and do some crabbing at Wells or Cromer.

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Some good advice folks and once again thank you for your imput. To try and find what I am after it will be an Autumn/Winter time visit. I think I may have to make more than one visit to get different parts of the country in. Old Churches and Medieval villages are things I like. The Hovis add hill and the like. 👍

[bluesj]

Just one village around here where you can find a tiny bit of old England upheld by maybe a couple of dozen people

[Yellow Bear]

10 minutes ago, bluesj said:

Just one village around here where you can find a tiny bit of old England upheld by maybe a couple of dozen people

Broadwood?

[marsh man]

11 minutes ago, SuperGoose75 said:

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Scatterbrook farm/The 10 acre field is in Bedfordshire and the author is buried in Northamptonshire.

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I've read the book but never have hunted down the West. Unfortunately the so called ''Celtic Tiger'' ruined a lot of good shooting ground with the 10yr none stop building boom. It certainly put an end to a lot of the tramping grounds of my youth. Farmers were selling half acre sites for 40/50 k and became known as (sell-a-site-farmers) As a border county, a lot of people took advantage of the strength of the Sterling to the Euro and started buying up sites and building huge houses. That and greedy farmers ripping out hedges and draining grounds to squeeze another acre or two of arable in has destroyed much of the rough shooting ground of my youth.

Another good book is My Ireland by Lord Dunsany. A keen sportsman who's family own one of the biggest estates in Ireland. Apparently a well liked and respected English family up until the present day ''Lord'' who stopped all hunting,shooting on land that generation's of locals had shot and hunted. It didn't go down well and you can read uo on it if you wish. The estate is located in Meath which I have visited and there is some stunning countryside around the area and is not far from the Hill of Tara.

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👍 One day I hope to go back to Norfolk Marshman.  And do the Peter Scott Walk and maybe visit Kenzie's Thorpes grave and take the family for fish & chips and do some crabbing at Wells or Cromer.

The Peter Scott walk from Sutton Bridge to Kings Lynn is still on my bucket list before I kick the actual bucket , I believe it is about 12 miles , that might mean me either staying overnight before I walk it , or getting someone to take me from where I live early in the morning and drop me off at the East Lighthouse , I could then do the walk , get the ferry across the river and get the bus(s) home , that would be in the early Summer when the weather would be a bit kinder.

The fish and chips at Wells ( French's ) have just won a award as one of the best in the U K , we have had fish and chips there but I do prefer the ones in Garden St at Cromer , both of them are in lovely locations with Wells harbour and over looking the pier at Cromer , my birthday is next month and we normally have a whole day out by driving around the coast from K L and stop at Cley for a cup of tea and a bacon roll and end up at Cromer around tea time for a fish and chip tea , either eat in or out , we don't mind either , tell yer this ole retirement lark is not as bad as some people make out.

[general grievous]

My wife was born in Hook Norton in the Cotswolds in 1970. I’m 100% cod, born in Hull in ‘66 and raised there and we now live in the East Riding of Yorkshire. I love where we live but I’m sure you will find that lots of us look out of the window and see Albion.

Thank you for your post, it has ignited lots of conversation.

GG

[SuperGoose75]

21 hours ago, marsh man said:

The Peter Scott walk from Sutton Bridge to Kings Lynn is still on my bucket list before I kick the actual bucket , I believe it is about 12 miles , that might mean me either staying overnight before I walk it , or getting someone to take me from where I live early in the morning and drop me off at the East Lighthouse , I could then do the walk , get the ferry across the river and get the bus(s) home , that would be in the early Summer when the weather would be a bit kinder.

The fish and chips at Wells ( French's ) have just won a award as one of the best in the U K , we have had fish and chips there but I do prefer the ones in Garden St at Cromer , both of them are in lovely locations with Wells harbour and over looking the pier at Cromer , my birthday is next month and we normally have a whole day out by driving around the coast from K L and stop at Cley for a cup of tea and a bacon roll and end up at Cromer around tea time for a fish and chip tea , either eat in or out , we don't mind either , tell yer this ole retirement lark is not as bad as some people make out.

Hope you get around to it Marshman. I watched a fella doing it on YouTube and he actually had lay down and had himself a nap halfway through.

PS I also wish to visit Slimbridge at some stage. That also will be a winter visit.

17 hours ago, general grievous said:

My wife was born in Hook Norton in the Cotswolds in 1970. I’m 100% cod, born in Hull in ‘66 and raised there and we now live in the East Riding of Yorkshire. I love where we live but I’m sure you will find that lots of us look out of the window and see Albion.

Thank you for your post, it has ignited lots of conversation.

GG

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[old man]

18 hours ago, SuperGoose75 said:

Hope you get around to it Marshman. I watched a fella doing it on YouTube and he actually had lay down and had himself a nap halfway through.

PS I also wish to visit Slimbridge at some stage. That also will be a winter visit.

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Not sure you will enjoy what Slimbridge has become, more commerce than Coronation Street?