Hull superfast or super****

[wymberley]

20 hours ago, jall25 said:

killing and creating feathers to be broken and scattered

Two birds with one stone, as it were. There used to be a phrase for a choice of cartridge that did this. I'm saying nothing, but how's your alliteration

[jall25]

1 hour ago, wymberley said:

Two birds with one stone, as it were. There used to be a phrase for a choice of cartridge that did this. I'm saying nothing, but how's your alliteration

 

Not very good 

[BinaryB]

I had an issue last year with Superfasts. A lot of a slab were not going off resulting in a series of light strikes. 

To be clear I’m talking about the Superfast Pigeon 29g 6 load. 

This was in an auto and I was told it would be the gun and not the cartridge. Just to further diagnose I tried them in my 525 and same issue with roughly the same number.

My brother tried some in his gun too to further diagnose and same issue. The conclusion that it was the cartridge and not the gun. I went back to the shop I got them from (A&D Supplies which has shut down since) and both the shop and Hull Cartridge were very good about it. They sent me a slab of the new Special Pigeon 32g 5.5 load as a gesture of good will which was very appreciated by me. I haven’t tried them yet and I expect they will be excellent but yes there was an issue with by diagnosis the primers in the slab of Superfasts I had.

Edited August 1 by BinaryB

[rbrowning2]

Do also think you do not always get inside the cartridge what it states on the box a size six could be u.k. 2.6mm or italian 2.7mm or even a 2.8mm as I have occasionally found. Do cartridge manufacturers empty the shot hopper when changing from a five to a six shot or just add the six shot and run out the five shot on the first few hundred plus six shot cartridges? Think shot hoppers that hold a 1000kg of shot at a time.

So it hits hard could because the shot size is bigger than expected and retaining more down range energy.

[BinaryB]

48 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said:

Do also think you do not always get inside the cartridge what it states on the box a size six could be u.k. 2.6mm or italian 2.7mm or even a 2.8mm as I have occasionally found. Do cartridge manufacturers empty the shot hopper when changing from a five to a six shot or just add the six shot and run out the five shot on the first few hundred plus six shot cartridges? Think shot hoppers that hold a 1000kg of shot at a time.

So it hits hard could because the shot size is bigger than expected and retaining more down range energy.

I cannot believe this would be the case as it would be unsafe. I also would think they have a dedicated line for a particular cartridge.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Just now, BinaryB said:

I cannot believe this would be the case as it would be unsafe. I also would think they have a dedicated line for a particular cartridge.

Between a 6 and a 5?

[BinaryB]

31 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Between a 6 and a 5?

I don’t know. I wouldn’t know if they dispense by volume or weight. Id be infested to know though. 

Edited August 1 by BinaryB

[wymberley]

3 hours ago, rbrowning2 said:

Do also think you do not always get inside the cartridge what it states on the box a size six could be u.k. 2.6mm or italian 2.7mm or even a 2.8mm as I have occasionally found. Do cartridge manufacturers empty the shot hopper when changing from a five to a six shot or just add the six shot and run out the five shot on the first few hundred plus six shot cartridges? Think shot hoppers that hold a 1000kg of shot at a time.

So it hits hard could because the shot size is bigger than expected and retaining more down range energy.

This was discussed some 14 years ago in one of the above pinned posts. The 27g load of 7&1/2s mentioned here would be 7&1/4s according to the Hull info so, yep, would 'hit hard' if that's actually what's in the cartridge as you can never be sure. I always open up a couple to find out what's what. Not necessarily to be critical but to see if any mismatch would work to my advantage. A few years ago when Express were on a roll I filled my boots (just wish they'd answer their emails).The 12 bore 28g of 6&1/2 were spot on. Fine. As were the 28g of 20 bore 7s but the 25g of 7s would have been 7&1/4 with the same pellet count as the 28g. Also fine, open the choke but keep the pellet count up for close range decoying.

[rbrowning2]

15 hours ago, BinaryB said:

I cannot believe this would be the case as it would be unsafe. I also would think they have a dedicated line for a particular cartridge.

why do you think it would be unsafe?  0.1mm plus or minus on shot diameter is not a lot. 2.7mm is used in a lot of cartridges theses days as a substitute to the traditional u.k. size six shot of 2.6mm.

Dedicated line for each cartridge made?  Not financially practical modern loading machines cost several hundred thousand pounds and then the overheads of running them, they need to run as many hours as possible day in day out and not sit idle waiting weeks or months for the next orders of pigeon or game cartridges.

open a few of the cartridges you use and check shot size then as wymberley has mentioned you will know for certain for both shot size and quantity.

 

Edited August 2 by rbrowning2

[Genghis]

On 28/07/2024 at 10:42, THETWIG007 said:

Out trying to hit some clays on Friday. Had quite a few cartridges go off with a "puff"! Load of **** out the barrel and what looked like bits of wadding left in the ejected cartridge. Ideas? Should of got some photos but was against the clock.

I had this exact same issue the one and only time that I used Hull Superfast - around 4/5 months ago.  

[enfieldspares]

3 hours ago, rbrowning2 said:

Dedicated line for each cartridge made?  Not financially practical modern loading machines cost several hundred thousand pounds and then the overheads of running them, they need to run as many hours as possible day in day out and not sit idle waiting weeks or months for the next orders of pigeon or game cartridges.

Years ago, now maybe fifty years, there was a murder case following a bank robbery in which the victim was shot with what the authorities called "trap shot" that is high antimony content. But recovered form the perpetrator's premises was a part box of Eley Grand Prix. However the recovered cartridges were examined and found to have been loaded, by Eley, with this "trap shot". I can remember the programme about it and think it showed the test pellets being put in to some sort of acid to prove the antimony content.

6 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

Years ago, now maybe fifty years, there was a murder case following a bank robbery in which the victim was shot with what the authorities called "trap shot" that is high antimony content. 

Wow! Sometimes the internet really does amaze. Third link up when I searched via Google "bank robber murder trap shot". There you go. I got it slightly wrong "game shot" was in the fatal cartridges but the recovered part box were Eley Trapshooting. Near but not quite remembered correctly. But yes the use of any old stuff left over by some cartridge loading firms has been going on for years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_bank_murder

Edited August 2 by enfieldspares

[BinaryB]

9 hours ago, rbrowning2 said:

why do you think it would be unsafe?  0.1mm plus or minus on shot diameter is not a lot. 2.7mm is used in a lot of cartridges theses days as a substitute to the traditional u.k. size six shot of 2.6mm.

Dedicated line for each cartridge made?  Not financially practical modern loading machines cost several hundred thousand pounds and then the overheads of running them, they need to run as many hours as possible day in day out and not sit idle waiting weeks or months for the next orders of pigeon or game cartridges.

open a few of the cartridges you use and check shot size then as wymberley has mentioned you will know for certain for both shot size and quantity.

 

Whatever you say rbrowning. It sounds like you know far more than I do. Thumbs up emoji here if I knew how to put one in. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

23 minutes ago, BinaryB said:

Whatever you say rbrowning. It sounds like you know far more than I do. Thumbs up emoji here if I knew how to put one in. 

[rbrowning2]

13 hours ago, BinaryB said:

Whatever you say rbrowning. It sounds like you know far more than I do. Thumbs up emoji here if I knew how to put one in. 

Possibly just knowledge gained from being well past my prime years and then some 😂😂and been around shooting all my life like a lot of others i suspect on the forum 😊 The important thing is get out and shoot worry not about a few feet per second or 0.1mm put that shot pattern in the correct place and all is good.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

7 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said:

Possibly just knowledge gained from being well past my prime years and then some 😂😂and been around shooting all my life like a lot of others i suspect on the forum 😊 The important thing is get out and shoot worry not about a few feet per second or 0.1mm put that shot pattern in the correct place and all is good.

Amen to the SENSIBLE approach.   

[THETWIG007]

On 28/07/2024 at 12:54, TIGHTCHOKE said:

How many did you have out of how many?

Three or four out of seventy five. Was quite a shock, never experienced it before. 

[THETWIG007]

On 28/07/2024 at 16:03, JDog said:

Why use such unpleasant language? 

You could simply have said that you had problems with the cartridges and asked if anyone else had had the same experience. 

Hi JDog, sorry if i've caused offence. Interpret what you want with an asterisk. 

On 28/07/2024 at 12:48, jall25 said:

Had the same issue last year with a box- Contacted Hull and they sent me a box and a few hats

Next slab all ok - then another box - that suffered several misfires - Did not want to know - almost as though i was trying it on - offered to swap them - if i sent them back in 

Got the chaps email address if you want to PM me 

Cheers jail25, will see what happens on the next outing.

On 29/07/2024 at 20:21, CumbrianWildfowler said:

whenever I put a Hull cartridge through the chronograph its anything but fast never mind super fast. They seem to be the slowest cartridges out there. That's not to say they are not good shells. I prefer slower loads as they pattern better but Superfast? Trade descriptions act!  

🤣

[Cawdor118]

On 01/08/2024 at 18:01, BinaryB said:

I cannot believe this would be the case as it would be unsafe. I also would think they have a dedicated line for a particular cartridge.

I was told this by Gamebore in email when I complained about "5 x graded shot" in their White Golds being a mix of 3s to 9s with quite a few egg shaped. The shot was a disgrace. So regardless of brand, it does happen. The 500 I bought appeared to be full of "waste shot".