dr lecter Posted December 30, 2024 Report Share Posted December 30, 2024 well caesar gureni are over priced new then you get robbed trying to part x kriegeoff and perazzi are car prices to me so i am very interested in browning looks good !!! On 02/10/2024 at 23:50, eightlittlebits said: Looks like it's "coming soon" based on this being a video just published by Browning Europe. new browning pro sport mmmmm nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted December 30, 2024 Report Share Posted December 30, 2024 I've not seen an 825 or a 688 in the wild yet. I did attend a registered sporting shoot in the Cotswolds yesterday hoping to see one as someones Christmas present but it was just wall to wall Kreighoffs. Some cash there in them Cotswolds.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted December 31, 2024 Report Share Posted December 31, 2024 Can’t see it being any different other than a pile of hype to sell new guns. I must be getting old now as I love buying older secondhand which just in my opinion feel better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted Thursday at 17:13 Author Report Share Posted Thursday at 17:13 On 30/12/2024 at 22:35, Poor Shot said: I've not seen an 825 or a 688 in the wild yet. I did attend a registered sporting shoot in the Cotswolds yesterday hoping to see one as someones Christmas present but it was just wall to wall Kreighoffs. Some cash there in them Cotswolds.. Someone I know has bought an 825 but I haven’t had the opportunity to see it yet. Another mate has bought a 688 and he is very pleased with it (his main gun is a DT11) and he shot a good 85 at Catton on Sunday using it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted Thursday at 18:19 Report Share Posted Thursday at 18:19 (edited) It can’t be easy for gun manufacturers creating something new in a market where it’s akin to re-creating the wheel with each new model. The basic function of the OU shotgun was perfected generations ago, so any improvements can only be down to technology or improvements in those materials used. The pump action mechanism has reached its peak in development I would think, and I can’t think how the self loading mechanism can be improved beyond what Benelli and Beretta have already achieved. There are very few what I regard to be improvements made; the Browning 725 Pro Sport is one, but this is mostly down to aesthetics which is subjective and personal appeal. I was going to say it’s probably just an age thing with me, but when I think about it I’ve always been old school ( my handgun days were a perfect example ) and while I can admire the wood, engraving whatever on a new gun, a good old gun will always have much more appeal to me than anything new or new fangled. I have coveted a mates 1301 Pro Comp, but would I have one? Not sure. For a start I can’t afford one, but the thing I wasn’t keen on re’ my most modern shotgun, which was a brand new 2018 HP steel proofed Benelli M1 Super 90, was the amount of plastic involved in its structure. Bomb proof and totally practical most certainly, but there’s that ‘mould’ line on the stock and fore-end, and anything plastic doesn’t take on that well used and attractive patina that wood and blued metal does. I’ve just traded in the Super 90 for a much older model with wooden furniture and blued steel. 🤷♂️ Edited Thursday at 18:24 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted Sunday at 15:41 Report Share Posted Sunday at 15:41 There here in Northern Ireland to me they look cheap just my opinion the grade 1 especially that particular model has the number 8 all over it The new pro sport 825 looks half engraved that somebody couldn’t be ***** to finish I hope there more reliable than the 725 pro sport couple of fellas in my clay club had nothing but problems with the 725 pro sport with pitting in the firing pins and problems with the so called mechanical triggers To me browning has fell behind Beretta!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted Sunday at 17:28 Report Share Posted Sunday at 17:28 1 hour ago, Gerry78 said: There here in Northern Ireland to me they look cheap just my opinion the grade 1 especially that particular model has the number 8 all over it The new pro sport 825 looks half engraved that somebody couldn’t be ***** to finish I hope there more reliable than the 725 pro sport couple of fellas in my clay club had nothing but problems with the 725 pro sport with pitting in the firing pins and problems with the so called mechanical triggers To me browning has fell behind Beretta!! Don’t mind the striker pitting. I’ve had 10s of thousands of cart’s through Brownings with pitted strikers. It’s never caused problems. I can understand why it may concern some people however. Wouldn’t mind a few shots with the 825 - haven’t seen one yet. The adjustable comb version looks good, as the stock is cut behind the thumb groove and not across it. Gun smiths have been preferring such a cut (which doesn’t interfere with the hand grip) for years. Looks like Browning have listened and responded. When I can find a demo gun…….? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted Sunday at 18:50 Report Share Posted Sunday at 18:50 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fellside said: Don’t mind the striker pitting. I’ve had 10s of thousands of cart’s through Brownings with pitted strikers. It’s never caused problems. I can understand why it may concern some people however. Wouldn’t mind a few shots with the 825 - haven’t seen one yet. The adjustable comb version looks good, as the stock is cut behind the thumb groove and not across it. Gun smiths have been preferring such a cut (which doesn’t interfere with the hand grip) for years. Looks like Browning have listened and responded. When I can find a demo gun…….? Yes Fellside but there was a problem with the 725 pro sport regarding light loads hopefully browning as you have said fixed this issue Matt from east field gun room just posted a video on the browning 825 S3 black after my rant regarding the pro sport this model looks better Edited Sunday at 18:56 by Gerry78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted Sunday at 19:58 Report Share Posted Sunday at 19:58 1 hour ago, Gerry78 said: Yes Fellside but there was a problem with the 725 pro sport regarding light loads hopefully browning as you have said fixed this issue Matt from east field gun room just posted a video on the browning 825 S3 black after my rant regarding the pro sport this model looks better Do you mean light loads or light strikes? Have had quite a few goes with the 725 Pro Sport owned by mates, which is why I’m quite smitten, and neither have mentioned any problems. Can’t say I’ve used one long enough to notice pitted strikers, but they’ve mentioned it. I’ve owned 101’s with pitted strikers but it’s never been an issue. As I’ve said, looks are subjective, and I much prefer the plain black action of the previous model, but that Gold trigger’s still an eyesore mind! 🙂 Subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted Sunday at 20:03 Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:03 1 hour ago, Gerry78 said: Yes Fellside but there was a problem with the 725 pro sport regarding light loads hopefully browning as you have said fixed this issue Matt from east field gun room just posted a video on the browning 825 S3 black after my rant regarding the pro sport this model looks better OK didn’t know that thanks. My experience is with the 525s. Call me old fashioned but I like the deep chunky action of the 525 and the way it ‘feels’. Curious about these shallower actions which the 825 has. As I say - trying one is key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted Sunday at 20:26 Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:26 23 minutes ago, Scully said: Do you mean light loads or light strikes? Have had quite a few goes with the 725 Pro Sport owned by mates, which is why I’m quite smitten, and neither have mentioned any problems. Can’t say I’ve used one long enough to notice pitted strikers, but they’ve mentioned it. I’ve owned 101’s with pitted strikers but it’s never been an issue. As I’ve said, looks are subjective, and I much prefer the plain black action of the previous model, but that Gold trigger’s still an eyesore mind! 🙂 Subjective. Scully the models made around 2017 -18 had problems with firing lighter loads 21g 24gThe couple of fellas I know used them at clays were told by a gunsmith (and I’m only quoting what I’ve been told) it was to do with the large amount of wood in the stock(used on the 725 pro sport)effecting the trigger mechanism 23 minutes ago, Fellside said: OK didn’t know that thanks. My experience is with the 525s. Call me old fashioned but I like the deep chunky action of the 525 and the way it ‘feels’. Curious about these shallower actions which the 825 has. As I say - trying one is key. I agree I shoot a mk38 trap and prefer a deep Chucky action myself but have seen the new 825 pro sport and it’s not for me But that video by east field gun room on YT the 825 S3 looks a lot better 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted Sunday at 20:35 Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:35 4 minutes ago, Gerry78 said: Scully the models made around 2017 -18 had problems with firing lighter loads 21g 24gThe couple of fellas I know used them at clays were told by a gunsmith (and I’m only quoting what I’ve been told) it was to do with the large amount of wood in the stock(used on the 725 pro sport)effecting the trigger mechanism I agree I shoot a mk38 trap and prefer a deep Chucky action myself but have seen the new 825 pro sport and it’s not for me But that video by east field gun room on YT the 825 S3 looks a lot better 👍👍 They’ll be in the gun shops before we know it - and we can all grab a look and a swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1066 Posted Sunday at 20:59 Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:59 20 minutes ago, Fellside said: They’ll be in the gun shops before we know it - and we can all grab a look and a swing. I have seen one and handled it, seems a bit light, so will need weighing down, In my opinion they have made a sporter look like a game gun with the engraving. Much prefer the old one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted Sunday at 21:14 Report Share Posted Sunday at 21:14 8 minutes ago, steve1066 said: I have seen one and handled it, seems a bit light, so will need weighing down, In my opinion they have made a sporter look like a game gun with the engraving. Much prefer the old one. That’s interesting. I have noticed on the American web site the weight being listed as less than the previous sporters. I think they offer balancing weights…..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted Sunday at 21:31 Report Share Posted Sunday at 21:31 52 minutes ago, Gerry78 said: Scully the models made around 2017 -18 had problems with firing lighter loads 21g 24gThe couple of fellas I know used them at clays were told by a gunsmith (and I’m only quoting what I’ve been told) it was to do with the large amount of wood in the stock(used on the 725 pro sport)effecting the trigger mechanism Fair enough but I don’t get that. I can understand how a light strike can fail to detonate a primer, but unless different primers are used in lighter loads I don’t understand how a cartridge weight can effect a primer. I’m not being flippant, but the strikers don’t know what weight the cartridge is. I’m not trying to start an argument, I simply don’t understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1066 Posted Sunday at 22:13 Report Share Posted Sunday at 22:13 52 minutes ago, Fellside said: That’s interesting. I have noticed on the American web site the weight being listed as less than the previous sporters. I think they offer balancing weights…..? I sometimes think the lightness can be down to a well balanced gun. But for me it would definitely need weights adding, I think you are correct the 825 is supplied with barrel and stock weights as per the 725 Prosport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted Sunday at 22:24 Report Share Posted Sunday at 22:24 10 minutes ago, steve1066 said: I sometimes think the lightness can be down to a well balanced gun. But for me it would definitely need weights adding, I think you are correct the 825 is supplied with barrel and stock weights as per the 725 Prosport. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyH Posted Sunday at 22:52 Report Share Posted Sunday at 22:52 Call me what you like, but I get the feeling that this is just a redesigned 725,525,325 etc? They all are O/U’s, single trigger and all that lark, so why get it? Is it the same as some people who want to have the newest cars, or motorbikes? Will it shoot any different to a 525? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted Monday at 00:29 Report Share Posted Monday at 00:29 47 minutes ago, BobbyH said: Call me what you like, but I get the feeling that this is just a redesigned 725,525,325 etc? They all are O/U’s, single trigger and all that lark, so why get it? Is it the same as some people who want to have the newest cars, or motorbikes? Will it shoot any different to a 525? I think you’re right, it will be a redesigned 525, 725 etc, of course it will. As such it will be judged on its merits, features, balance, handling etc. I know what you mean, about some people who ‘upgrade’ regardless, as soon as the new version of whatever is launched - IPhone, car etc. However It’s a tough gun market out there, and I wouldn’t imagine the majority will simply buy the latest 825 automatically. I think for most, a new gun is a carefully considered proposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted Monday at 11:32 Report Share Posted Monday at 11:32 13 hours ago, Scully said: Fair enough but I don’t get that. I can understand how a light strike can fail to detonate a primer, but unless different primers are used in lighter loads I don’t understand how a cartridge weight can effect a primer. I’m not being flippant, but the strikers don’t know what weight the cartridge is. I’m not trying to start an argument, I simply don’t understand it. Not disagreeing but what I was told was the internal mechanism of the 725 trigger group wasn’t operating properly on lighter loads speaking to the owners of the 725 pro sport that’s what they said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted Monday at 11:40 Report Share Posted Monday at 11:40 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Gerry78 said: Not disagreeing but what I was told was the internal mechanism of the 725 trigger group wasn’t operating properly on lighter loads speaking to the owners of the 725 pro sport that’s what they said Sorry Gerry, you've been lied to or mislead. 725 is mechanical and with two pulls of the trigger you get two clicks (or bangs) regardless of what's in the chamber. I didn't try it when I had a 725 Pro Sport but it would likely have fired a pair of blanks with no issue. It fired 16g Laylvale express ultra lights with no problem and they had PCP air rifle levels of recoil. It did often have an issue firing the bottom barrel though, not because of light recoiling cartridges but because the design was **** and the bottom firing pin made of cheese resulting in light strikes. If you were to then put that cartridge into the top barrel for the next pair it would fire no problem. Edited Monday at 11:48 by Poor Shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted Monday at 11:46 Report Share Posted Monday at 11:46 11 minutes ago, Gerry78 said: Not disagreeing but what I was told was the internal mechanism of the 725 trigger group wasn’t operating properly on lighter loads speaking to the owners of the 725 pro sport that’s what they said No worries. I just think you’ve been given some duff info’. Those Amber 24 loads go bang in the one Pro Sport I was using. The only issue for me was that just like a mates XS I get a little trigger ‘twang’, but less so than the XS. Have never had that with any other gun. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted Monday at 14:42 Report Share Posted Monday at 14:42 2 hours ago, Scully said: No worries. I just think you’ve been given some duff info’. Those Amber 24 loads go bang in the one Pro Sport I was using. The only issue for me was that just like a mates XS I get a little trigger ‘twang’, but less so than the XS. Have never had that with any other gun. 🤷♂️ No worries Scully that’s why I use miroku mk38s 🧐😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted Monday at 15:06 Report Share Posted Monday at 15:06 23 minutes ago, Gerry78 said: No worries Scully that’s why I use miroku mk38s 🧐😃 🙂👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1066 Posted Monday at 15:54 Report Share Posted Monday at 15:54 4 hours ago, Poor Shot said: Sorry Gerry, you've been lied to or mislead. 725 is mechanical and with two pulls of the trigger you get two clicks (or bangs) regardless of what's in the chamber. I didn't try it when I had a 725 Pro Sport but it would likely have fired a pair of blanks with no issue. It fired 16g Laylvale express ultra lights with no problem and they had PCP air rifle levels of recoil. It did often have an issue firing the bottom barrel though, not because of light recoiling cartridges but because the design was **** and the bottom firing pin made of cheese resulting in light strikes. If you were to then put that cartridge into the top barrel for the next pair it would fire no problem. Hi Poor shot, I would agree with you light loads have nothing to do with a gun that has a mechanical trigger. I have owned and shot a Prosport for 6 years now, I have not had a problem with my gun shooting either bottom or top consecutively, what I did find was even the slightest holding of the trigger after the first shot could hinder the second shot going off, so have learnt to release the trigger fully before pulling again for the second shot and have not had an issue since. But shortly there will be a PW member who will come along and say they are not fully mechanical but partly inertia. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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