retromlc Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 I sold my long term shotgun a while back a 1999 MX8,(8lb3oz) I had planned to buy a high tech,but couldn't justify the mental post Brexit increase, so I had always fancied the weird Beretta ugb-25 , bought one and really got in with it, but it weighed 9lb and I was feeling the weight after a 100 clays, I sold that and I like the head up position due to neck issues so having read reviews where the weight was listed at 8lb 6oz and having tried one briefly I bought a CG summit impact, I got used to it and started getting better results, I really liked the CG summit stick etc,but it actually weighed a tad over 9lb, same issues, mmm sell it and buy a CG summit ascent, that must be lighter, started looking, asked a few dealers who weren't advertising the weight, all a shade under 9lb !!! I am finding this with all modern clay guns, I guess the obsession with HP shot proof must mean thicker heavier barrels to cope (I watched a perazzi video and they said their barrels were 3oz heavier to cope with the HP shot). You don't need HP shot for clays but is a standardisation across their barrel making process for cost efficient? Or is it the way clay guns are going in general,9lb?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Hello, Why would anyone need a Shotgun that weight for Clay pigeon shooting using non HV Steel cartridges cartridges 21g 24g 28 g 7.5 ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Over-heavy guns have become the norm. I used to use 32" Beretta 682's for competition years ago, they were in excess of 8 lbs and soaked up a lot of recoil when shooting 300 targets a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Go and look for an old Winchester or a Classic Doubles, speak to Mr Morgan at Eastfield Guns. I got rid of my ProSport for exactly the same reason, it's weight. I have been shooting my CD for 18 months now and love it. It is an ounce under 8lbs. 30" multi choke barrels, but balances perfectly. Glad I switched, oh, and I paid £500 for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Westley - agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted January 27 Author Report Share Posted January 27 I did message Matt about the Beretta dt11 black he's got with no price,as I thought I can just add weight to get it just right, but no response as yet, tbh probably a bit too pricey for my genuine needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Over-heavy guns have become the norm. I used to use 32" Beretta 682's for competition years ago, they were in excess of 8 lbs and soaked up a lot of recoil when shooting 300 targets a day. My CG with its overbored, ported barrels, coupled with an Isis recoil pad means I do not feel any recoil. Others that have shot it also remark on its lack of recoil. Just now, Westley said: My CG with its overbored, ported barrels, coupled with an Isis recoil pad means I do not feel any recoil. Others that have shot it also remark on its lack of recoil. My gun is a Classic Trap, which came with 2 series of woodwork, Trap and Sporting. I spoke to a guy recently who had a 32" version of the same gun. I think Matt knew of one for sale. He can be slow in answering mails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Beretta 694 sporting with adjustable stock is advertised at 8lbs 3oz. I'm not sure a pound here or there is really going to make the difference between a gun being too heavy or not over a couple hundred clays. I'd say it was more where that weight is distributed throughout the gun. Guns with longer barrels (32"+) and long, stainless steel chokes right out at the end will put a lot of pressure on the left arm. Shorter barrels with smaller, titanium chokes will feel lighter and faster to swing but may well be within a few oz's of a longer barreled gun overall. Worth trying a few guns before committing to buy based on the listed weight alone. I shoot a 694 with 32" barrels and it seems to be in the goldilocks zone for me. It's not so light that its fidgety or so heavy that it becomes unwieldy and hard to control. The Browning ProSport I had prior to the 694 was exactly that. It was a shade under 10lbs with the stock weights installed and a lovely gun for big, slow targets and it was like shooting a 28 bore recoil wise but outside of that it carried too much momentum in the swing to be controllable and I found myself fatigued early on when shooting a 100 target course with a lot of smaller, faster technical targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 On a 100 bird sporting shoot, I was dropping more birds off the last 4/5 stands than the rest of the layout, using my ProSport. 1lb off the overall weight of a gun can make a lot of difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 I have a Perazzi MX4c for sale if you like Perazzi and are interested. It is in the for sale section a couple of pages back; weighs 8lbs and comes cased with loads of chokes plus other stuff. My Classic Doubles trap comes in at 8lbs also, and was less than half the price of my Perazzi, but as others have said, I don’t know how much difference a pound will make. There are some really good examples of classic Winchesters out there, and game versions ( Field ) are even lighter. None however are HP steel proofed, but then again they don’t need to be. There’s a lot of scaremongering regards HP shot out there which has devalued nitro proofed guns. It’s only a stamp! If you can’t find a lighter gun then try lighter loads. Anyhow, good luck with your search. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Just now, Westley said: On a 100 bird sporting shoot, I was dropping more birds off the last 4/5 stands than the rest of the layout, using my ProSport. 1lb off the overall weight of a gun can make a lot of difference. They are a very front heavy gun. Mine required most, if not all of the stock weights to be installed just to put the balance point on the hinge pin and get the balance back between the hands. They have a lot of the overall weight in the front end of the gun which makes them quite taxing to use. I too experienced scores dropping off towards the end of the round whereas with my 694, which is probably around 9lbs with balance weights installed at both ends, I feel like I could shoot stands 1-12, then 12-1 and then back to 12 again and still feel fresh. A very nicely balanced gun, no recoil (relatively speaking) and a pleasure to use. On the flip side, my ProSport felt like it could have fired 250k cartridges and still look like it did the day it came out of the factory. I'm not sure the 694 could stand up to that abuse without regular servicing and overhauls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 My ProSport was 30" and balanced on the pin, with no weights fitted. I did use the barrel weights for a while, but it was the 9lbs overall weight that was too much. I had a 694 for around 6 months, just could not live with it. I had the offer of the CD, once I saw it's condition, and the fact it was still in its cardboard box, including the second set of woodwork, I grabbed it. I taught its owner to shoot and took him to buy the gun in 1992. He also bought 1000 cartridges at the time. I have 350 of them now. At nearly 80, I was feeling the weight of most modern guns. My Grandson's have them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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