rimfire or centerfire

[Dave-G]

Ah... trainee FEO! That explains your confusion.

 

They ought to be forced to join a shooting forum so they know what the hell shooting is all about - or at the very least be shooters themselves.

 

I wonder if building inspectors know anything about building, or Gas inspectors know anything about Gas.

 

Welcome to the forum and ask away matey

[Highlander]

J H C ! They're handing out FACs to any Tom **** or Harry these days! No offence to humbug but what on earth is happening when a complete novice can apply and receive an FAC. He obviously hasn't much of a clue (so OK he's a novice) but neither it seems does his FAO. Humbug, whereabouts in the country are you as we should know who these numpties are and report them?

 

Result we have a (complete) novice armed with a deadly weapon doing God knows what with it! Sorry but this is complete madness. Time things were bought under proper control.

[OneEye]

Congrats, and good luck with your new rifle. Be aware of backstops as your first consideration, then welcome to the learning curve.

[starlight32]

so did you study for months or years before you gained your fac or were you a novice once aswell???

i have a mentor but i'm waiting to purchase my rifle before going out with him.

he will be grilled on all things legal or illegal and i think i will ask him any questions from now on instead of being humiliated on this forum.

 

No-one is humiliating you, you have walked right into it. So if you have the inclination of taking pheasants with a .22, actually on what basis have you obtained a firearms cert for?

 

I bet you have been in the right company and have gone for an FAC like a lot of others do with no real need to own one.

 

Correct?

 

From reading your earlier post I thought you were a youngster but from looking at your profile you are over 40.

 

If you want advice ask in a sensible manner and you will then be treated in a way by other knowledged/experienced FAC holders accordingly.

[Dave-G]

J H C ! They're handing out FACs to any Tom **** or Harry these days! No offence to humbug but what on earth is happening when a complete novice can apply and receive an FAC. He obviously hasn't much of a clue (so OK he's a novice) but neither it seems does his FAO. Humbug, whereabouts in the country are you as we should know who these numpties are and report them?

 

Result we have a (complete) novice armed with a deadly weapon doing God knows what with it! Sorry but this is complete madness. Time things were bought under proper control.

 

Bit harsh on the lad the lad I think. It looks like he was doing ok till he sought advice from his FEO who confused the issue. If I accepted what my trainee FEO told me I'd only use my FAC air rifle on land that is suitable for rimfire. The ridiculous situation now is that if the feo don't know the difference btween RF and CF what has he based his land clearance on I wonder?

[njc110381]

hi all,

thanks for all your comments, i've just had the FAO round and showed him the fac.

at first he said i could get any type of .22, so i told him the guns that i was looking at including centerfire rifles and he said that was ok, then when i mentioned the word hornet something must have clicked in his little brain and he went out to his car then came back and said that i couldn't get a hornet as this was a different class of rifle.

so that clears that up.

thanks again to everyone, i was getting a bit frustrated.

i'm now off on saturday to look at some rimfires and hopefully will be out with a new rifle in a couple of weeks

cheers

brian.

 

 

I really can't believe what I'm reading here! You mean your FEO doesn't even know the difference between a centrefire and a rimfire? Bearing in mind this guy gets to say yes or no to people like us who ask for things we know like the back of our hands, I find that a bit of a joke! Someone could be turned down for something reasonable, or worse allowed something they're not capable of using safely

 

No wonder you're short of ideas on the subject. That .22 you're getting can seriously hurt someone at a mile if mistreated, so have a read into things before you go out. I'm really glad that between us and your mate who's looking after you we should be able to clue you up first. No thanks to the police that is!

[Highlander]

J H C ! They're handing out FACs to any Tom **** or Harry these days! No offence to humbug but what on earth is happening when a complete novice can apply and receive an FAC. He obviously hasn't much of a clue (so OK he's a novice) but neither it seems does his FAO. Humbug, whereabouts in the country are you as we should know who these numpties are and report them?

 

Result we have a (complete) novice armed with a deadly weapon doing God knows what with it! Sorry but this is complete madness. Time things were bought under proper control.

 

Bit harsh on the lad the lad I think. It looks like he was doing ok till he sought advice from his FEO who confused the issue. If I accepted what my trainee FEO told me I'd only use my FAC air rifle on land that is suitable for rimfire. The ridiculous situation now is that if the feo don't know the difference btween RF and CF what has he based his land clearance on I wonder?

 

Bit harsh, BIT HARSH! My lord don't you think this is complete madness when an FAC is handed out to someone who even has to ask such questions. There should be a law against it! Go get trained (thoroughly) then apply but the other way around NEVER!

[Dave-G]

I read this as the guy is questioning the advice of his FEO - go back and read his original post HL, he thought he was aplying for rimmfire. another clue is the "vermin and groundgame" in his conditions.

 

The FEO has caused the confusion here

[OneEye]

They are very inconsistent with the way they word their certificates. It would be measurably better if there was a national standard, and if all those working in the firearms depts had at least basic knowledge of firearms and shooting. BASC would no doubt be able to advise or even conduct training.

 

I don't see what this guy Humbug's done to attract such an uproar of denunciation. Finding some confusion in his FAC, he asked some knowledgeable people to help him work it out, was advised to get clarification from the police and followed that advice, then all of a sudden he's being described as a menace to the public or as some sort of armed halfwit.

[Dunkield]

Humbug,

 

No one is having a dig here (mainly) but there is a certain amount of disbelief of your FEO's knowledge.

I would be interested to know what an RFD would sell you if you took your FAC along to buy a rifle, that would be the acid test.

[humbug]

can i just clear up a few things here,

firstly all i wanted to know was could i get a cf instead of a rf because me being a novice didn't know that .22 only meant rimfire rifles.

im did apply for a rimfire but when i saw .22 i thought i may be able to get a cenerfire.

 

I bet you have been in the right company and have gone for an FAC like a lot of others do with no real need to own one.

 

Correct?

starlight,

that's a ridiculous comment, i've been shooting since i was a teenager, just never been into rifles, i've had a shotgun for over 20yrs and i'm fed up chewing on lead pellets.

and no offence taken.

cheers

brian.

[humbug]

Humbug,

 

No one is having a dig here (mainly) but there is a certain amount of disbelief of your FEO's knowledge.

I would be interested to know what an RFD would sell you if you took your FAC along to buy a rifle, that would be the acid test.

 

 

i think he may be a novice cause he did have another person in the car with him and he did say the rfd would keep me right.

evryone has to start somewhere.

cheers

brian.

[Highlander]

IMO the FAO involved needs reporting for incompetence and if he is a novice why on earth is he allowed to conduct interviews without supervision. In todays world where we are regulated up to the hilt over gun law this sort of thing shouldn't be allowed to happen.

[dazza]

Surely a dealer would never have sold humbug a centrefire when he seen the FAC? Humbug if you had have got a .22 Hornet would you have used it on pheasants?

[humbug]

Surely a dealer would never have sold humbug a centrefire when he seen the FAC? Humbug if you had have got a .22 Hornet would you have used it on pheasants?

 

maybe at 300 yrds

no i was thinking more of the longe range bunnies i always come across in the gully i shoot in, they just sit and watch til u get too close

[OneEye]

Surely a dealer would never have sold humbug a centrefire when he seen the FAC? Humbug if you had have got a .22 Hornet would you have used it on pheasants?

 

maybe at 300 yrds

no i was thinking more of the longe range bunnies i always come across in the gully i shoot in, they just sit and watch til u get too close

 

I get those little beggars too. One job I did recently there was a mini-warren in a little hillock, with 100 yards of open ground around it. There was always a couple of lookout rabbits and I couldn't get near them. I'm too tight to shell out for a variation and a .17HMR so I put in a high seat and picked them off at 125 with the .223.

[njc110381]

Humbug, I'm just glad you're still here mate. Some of the comments above really surprise me. Things certainly aren't as they should be, but none of that is your fault. I think some of the guys are missing the point here. You're a novice rifle shooter, and it's the FEO who should be making sure you know what you're doing before granting you a certificate. Everyone has the right to ask for one, so I back you 100%.

[Tony9r]

Humbug, I'm just glad you're still here mate. Some of the comments above really surprise me. Things certainly aren't as they should be, but none of that is your fault. I think some of the guys are missing the point here. You're a novice rifle shooter, and it's the FEO who should be making sure you know what you're doing before granting you a certificate. Everyone has the right to ask for one, so I back you 100%.

 

... Absolutely :(

[Mungler]

Humbug, I'm just glad you're still here mate. Some of the comments above really surprise me. Things certainly aren't as they should be, but none of that is your fault. I think some of the guys are missing the point here. You're a novice rifle shooter, and it's the FEO who should be making sure you know what you're doing before granting you a certificate. Everyone has the right to ask for one, so I back you 100%. :(

 

... Absolutely

 

 

[dusk2dawn]

so did you study for months or years before you gained your fac or were you a novice once aswell???

i have a mentor but i'm waiting to purchase my rifle before going out with him.

he will be grilled on all things legal or illegal and i think i will ask him any questions from now on instead of being humiliated on this forum.

 

 

Humbug I dont think for a moment that anyone on here is deliberately setting out to humiliate you, from what you have said it would seem that you have gone about things in rather an unorthodox way. I would have gained a little experience with a mentor, bought myself a dozen or so shooting mags and then started asking lots of questions before I applied for a FAC.

 

If your budget stretches to it buy a copy of "Foxing with lamp and rifle" by Robert Bucknell it contains a wealth of info on real practical everyday rifle shooting, imo they should make it a mandatory read before applying.

 

As someone has said if you do a search on here there are not many questions that have not been answered already.

 

Best of luck

 

D2D

[humbug]

Humbug, I'm just glad you're still here mate. Some of the comments above really surprise me. Things certainly aren't as they should be, but none of that is your fault. I think some of the guys are missing the point here. You're a novice rifle shooter, and it's the FEO who should be making sure you know what you're doing before granting you a certificate. Everyone has the right to ask for one, so I back you 100%.

 

 

thanks, i've had some really nice p.m's.

that's why i'm still here, and you never know i may be able to help someone someday.

cheers.

brian.

[chunk]

From what i can see on the conditions which have been posted up by humbug everything looks to be pointing in the direction of vermin control ie rimfire useage. The fly in the ointment is the clause "use on deer" which is obviously a mistake and the firearms dept should have known better.

Humbug is a novice and in all reasonableness should rely on the wording to be acurate. This is not the case and has prompted the query.

 

Humbug, you are a fellow shooter and can rely on good advice from this forum. Some folks can be a bit abrupt but are trying to point you in the right direction in the minefield of holding an FAC.

 

Cheers Andy.

[CharlieT]

From what i can see on the conditions which have been posted up by humbug everything looks to be pointing in the direction of vermin control ie rimfire useage. The fly in the ointment is the clause "use on deer" which is obviously a mistake and the firearms dept should have known better.

Humbug is a novice and in all reasonableness should rely on the wording to be acurate. This is not the case and has prompted the query.

 

Humbug, you are a fellow shooter and can rely on good advice from this forum. Some folks can be a bit abrupt but are trying to point you in the right direction in the minefield of holding an FAC.

 

Cheers Andy.

 

The use on deer you refer to is the standard wording for the conditions governing the use of expanding ammo and refers to the ammo only.

 

Species wise you may only only shoot whatever is stipulated and listed in the conditions relating to the gun itself.

[rec-baller]

Just to let you know Humbug , when i got my F.A.C this year i was mistakenly given an open cert as a first issue. when i spoke to my f.e.o he said it was a mistake and could i please return it to be ammended . i would rather be above board and legal than risk loosing my hard earned liscence !!!

the guys on here are,nt being cheeky to you they are doing there best to be helpful and keep you out of trouble !!!! so PLEASE listen to what they say- i have and it has helped :(

all the best

shaun

[chunk]

From what i can see on the conditions which have been posted up by humbug everything looks to be pointing in the direction of vermin control ie rimfire useage. The fly in the ointment is the clause "use on deer" which is obviously a mistake and the firearms dept should have known better.

Humbug is a novice and in all reasonableness should rely on the wording to be acurate. This is not the case and has prompted the query.

 

Humbug, you are a fellow shooter and can rely on good advice from this forum. Some folks can be a bit abrupt but are trying to point you in the right direction in the minefield of holding an FAC.

 

Cheers Andy.

 

The use on deer you refer to is the standard wording for the conditions governing the use of expanding ammo and refers to the ammo only.

 

Species wise you may only only shoot whatever is stipulated and listed in the conditions relating to the gun itself.

 

Mine doesnt say it. Just" in connection with the shooting of vermin".I only have rimfire. Seemed an odd thing to put as a condition if rimfire only is allowed and i can see where the ambiguity arose.