Jimbo57 Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I have just read on another Bulletin Board that BASC has been sending staff to Europe to encourage foreign sportsmen to come to Britain. When it is becoming increasingly hard for local men to find somewhere to shoot, should BASC really be trying to get more foreigners to come over here to shoot our pigeions. Is this how we want our subs spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Where did this information come from and I don't mean which "Bulletin Board" ? These stories always have more credibility if there is an actual source identified. We seem to get almost weekly rumours (most unfounded) concerning the BASC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I have just read on another Bulletin Board that BASC has been sending staff to Europe to encourage foreign sportsmen to come to Britain. When it is becoming increasingly hard for local men to find somewhere to shoot, should BASC really be trying to get more foreigners to come over here to shoot our pigeions. Is this how we want our subs spent. just because you read about it somewhere doesn't mean it's true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I have just read on another Bulletin Board that BASC has been sending staff to Europe to encourage foreign sportsmen to come to Britain. When it is becoming increasingly hard for local men to find somewhere to shoot, should BASC really be trying to get more foreigners to come over here to shoot our pigeions. Is this how we want our subs spent. can we have a link or a clue please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Oh dear, why are all these Anti BASC stories popping up latley?? Lets have Dave from BASC clarify that this is some sort of wind up. The way I see it is, there are p[lenty of pigeons out there, but also plenty of farmers ripping people off for doing their vermin control, so less people have a chance to shoot here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Personally, I dont want my subs spent promoting commercial shooting in Britain, and doubt that this is the case. Jimbo57 should substantiate his claim and state his source without delay. Lets not forget that Jimbo57 has been a member for little over 1 day, so this could be yet anothe wind up, dont forget the Winchester incident! webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 He may be referring to This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 If it is true Whats the problem? alot of us go to Africa and shoot big game their. At least its bringing more money into our economy. But on the other hand BASC should put more money into encouraging younster's into the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 If it is true Whats the problem? alot of us go to Africa and shoot big game their. At least its bringing more money into our economy. oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 If it is true Whats the problem? alot of us go to Africa and shoot big game their. At least its bringing more money into our economy. But on the other hand BASC should put more money into encouraging younster's into the sport. A very good point there What I would also like to see is all the shooting organisations trying to integrate shooting sports back into the public veiw in a positive way through articles, posters etc. The less people know, the easier it is to have a negative veiw/opinion on something. We have all been there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 DF has actually got a point of sorts. The people who run these shoots want bums on seats and money. They do it to pay wages and bills, not for free or for the love of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lock&load Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 If it is true Whats the problem? alot of us go to Africa and shoot big game their. At least its bringing more money into our economy. But on the other hand BASC should put more money into encouraging younster's into the sport. If it is true Whats the problem? alot of us go to Africa and shoot big game their. At least its bringing more money into our economy. But on the other hand BASC should put more money into encouraging younster's into the sport. A very good point there What I would also like to see is all the shooting organisations trying to integrate shooting sports back into the public veiw in a positive way through articles, posters etc. The less people know, the easier it is to have a negative veiw/opinion on something. We have all been there.. we brought 50 thousand rumainians into the country,did that help the economy,over 70 thousand polish have arrived,and has thet helped the economey,no so why should people expect that basc bringing forign shooters in will help the economy,it will line some fat cats pocket yes but most of the people working for them will be forign natonals working for peanuts,and draining the economy,in my opinion and as regards giving the public more knowlege ,who was it that said a little knowlege can be a dangerous thing,only my opinions chaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo57 Posted March 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 It came from the BASC website see by clicking here and here. Hope I have done the links right. Anyway there does not seem to be any doubt about it as a BASC committee member Eric Begbie is worried about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Like it or not commercialism in shooting is big business it already goes on and has for years, how do you think the commercial pigeon guides survive? we whine at the prices charged and dont book up so they need to make a living and welcome those from overseas, its called free enterprise,as for other types of shooting ask any shooter who pays to stalk deer how much it costs it would pop your eyes out? so if those from abroad can afford it and put money into the sport fair enough, but dont class it as "immigration"they aint coming here to earn a fiver doing a job you wouldnt get off your **** to do, they come to spent big bucks? er a bit like those twits who pay sodding fortunes to go out to africa and shoot " big game" what is it 20 grand or so and you can shoot a jumbo ( some here would miss?) cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo57 Posted March 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 (edited) If it is true Whats the problem? alot of us go to Africa and shoot big game their. At least its bringing more money into our economy. oh dear. Sorry. I thought I was on a BB for pigeon shooters, not big game hunters. How many of the people on this BB go to Africa to shoot big game and how many are worried about foreigners coming to Britain and squeezing us out of our pigeon shooting? Maybe you cannot remember the days when farmers used to pay us for our cartridges to shoot pigeoins. These days are long gone thanks to the foreigners and their like. Edited March 9, 2008 by Jimbo57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Maybe you cannot remember the days when farmers used to pay us for our cartridges to shoot pigeoins. These days are long gone thanks to the foreigners and their like. ....and the farmers would have told the foreigners and the UK based agents to "Go away !" with their dosh wouldn`t they eh! These things are never as cut and dried as some would make us believe. Imagine being a farmer and working the hours they do for the pittance they get and then someone says, "You shouldn`t let Mr.Johnny Foreigner shoot here Mr. Giles with his evil money, you should allow me, a local shooter to shoot this here local farm for nothing !" I know what my local farmers would say........2 words 3 F`s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Sorry. I thought I was on a BB for pigeon shooters, not big game hunters. How many of the people on this BB go to Africa to shoot big game and how many are worried about foreigners coming to Britain and squeezing us out of our pigeon shooting? Maybe you cannot remember the days when farmers used to pay us for our cartridges to shoot pigeoins. These days are long gone thanks to the foreigners and their like. In fairness shooters from Europe, especially Italy, have been coming to the UK for years and going on professionally Guided pigeon shooting and goose shooting trips. One of the reasons is that there is not much goose shooting in most of Europe and they have a wood pigeon close season. I remember being given cartridges by the Farmer to shoot his pigeons, but that died off with the finish of the old subsidised Rabbit Clearance cartridges and local English shooters knocking on his door, begging to shoot his pigeons for free. I doubt if any of us will lose any pigeon shooting to European shooters, unless we shoot with professional Guides and that will only be because they are fully booked by the Italians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 (edited) Does this mean all Will Beasleys clients are Polish ? Are the Romanians big into decoying ? Do Lithuanians steal your pigeon shooting ? I have yet to lose a farm to a Latvian with loads of money. The days when farmers gave pigeon shooters cartridges are gone because with so many people willing to buy huge acres of pigeon shooting rights (pigeon guides, no criticism of them) they do not have to. French, German, American etc sportsmen have been shooting here for decades, the money they spend in Scotland alone amounts to vast sums when all the extras are included. Good to see zenophobia extending to the point where a fellow shooter is now the enemy Edited March 9, 2008 by digger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lock&load Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Maybe you cannot remember the days when farmers used to pay us for our cartridges to shoot pigeoins. These days are long gone thanks to the foreigners and their like. ....and the farmers would have told the foreigners and the UK based agents to "Go away !" with their dosh wouldn`t they eh! These things are never as cut and dried as some would make us believe. Imagine being a farmer and working the hours they do for the pittance they get and then someone says, "You shouldn`t let Mr.Johnny Foreigner shoot here Mr. Giles with his evil money, you should allow me, a local shooter to shoot this here local farm for nothing !" I know what my local farmers would say........2 words 3 F`s. yes the farmers have it tough without a doubt,and yes if they have the chance of some reel money they are going to take it,but it still makes it hard to swallow knowing how hard it is to get shooting to start with for average joe without having to compete with commercial shooting,don't you think.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Good to see zenophobia extending to the point where a fellow shooter is now the enemy would be nice to leave something for the grandkids though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Good to see zenophobia extending to the point where a fellow shooter is now the enemy would be nice to leave something for the grandkids though. depends how many of the ******* you have mark? cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lock&load Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Good to see zenophobia extending to the point where a fellow shooter is now the enemy would be nice to leave something for the grandkids though. Xenophobia is a fear or contempt of that which is foreign or unknown, especially of strangers or foreign people.[1] It comes from the Greek words ξÎνος (xenos), meaning "foreigner," "stranger," and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear." The term is typically used to describe fear or dislike of foreigners or in general of people different from oneself. Additionally, in the science fiction genre, xenophobia may refer to a fear or hatred of extraterrestrial cultures or beings. for those who ran for the dictonery like me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Good to see zenophobia extending to the point where a fellow shooter is now the enemy would be nice to leave something for the grandkids though. depends how many of the ******* you have mark? cheers KW kw, with the amount of grand kids you have they better cover all the noth east in rape mate, to get em all on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russuk Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 yes the farmers have it tough without a doubt,and yes if they have the chance of some reel money they are going to take it,but it still makes it hard to swallow knowing how hard it is to get shooting to start with for average joe without having to compete with commercial shooting,don't you think.. Do you feel that way about all commercial shooting, or just that involving foriegn sportsmen? By far the majority of people using the 'comercial shooting' are from this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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