al4x Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 its very unusual to scare a sheep to the point it injures itself, I'd wonder if you are ending up a scapegoat for something else. But something needs to change if you haven't already lost the permission, farmers hate being scared at night Yes Dave spoke to the farmer who said don't worry about the sheep, saying that they were just moving around the field and we didnt see any thing that troubled us at the time, certainly not any signs as to an injured sheep. the fact that one of maybe 50 or so got injured is a bit mysterious. the farmer also said no need to call him prior to shooting. nun the less i think Dave g will next time might be worth a drive through the farmyard just to announce your presence, we always just stop in and say we're out alternatively if you go in 2 vehicles leaving one the farmer knows in the yards enough just to let him know you're about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*NickH* Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Just my 2 pence worth, the posters that say that the police would be using 9mm are right they do in the MP5 and Glock but they do use 5.56/.223 in the HK G36 which a lot of forces are now using..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Dave g and I went for a lamp last night, took the sako with the hmr fitted, trouble was Dave had fitted a home made moderator on the end of it. Just a tad bit noisy me thinks and so did the farmer who didnt recognise the sound and thought it was a poacher with a shotgun, as we made our way back to the car we saw a car behind ours lights out, next thing two surprisingly polite officers ask who we are and told us the farmer called them. next thing a x5 pulls up with two very large armed officers, ello ello whats going off er then, not really, they were actually very articulate and once they had checked Dave's gun stood and spoke to us for quite some time, any way we got talking about the heckler&cosh weapon they use and showed me the .223 ammo, they weren't brass cases though and they said the rounds are blue printed and soft tops. Any body now what they are. Mmmmm a number of things wrong here and I’m finding it hard to keep my mouth shut. Owns a Sako (quad?) yet puts a ‘home made’ mod on it??? JHC why? To save a quid or two? No doubt it’s not even proofed. Goes out lamping with a rifle/s without calling anyone beforehand to warn them you’ll be out AND then a sheep gets hurt. Sure the farmer wants to see you. Sure it’s not to say ‘don’t bother coming anymore’ Would I want you on my land...no way! Hard to keep ya mouth shut? Grow up chap, I thought you were more sensible than this. I had'nt explained to Chris that it was an unbranded .22 sound mod I was temporarily using rather than the quieter one I normally used for the 17HMR with a smaller outlet hole, which is off till I get the baffles sorted. Now I could be wrong here but as far as I know, one only has to use proofed kit when selling a gun? I also have a SAK that is not proofed but my lamp mount won't fit round it. In addition it was an exceptionally calm night - in case you don't get them where you live almost any small noise seems so much louder than usual. We had arranged that I dont call him prior to shooting, which he understands is frequently a last minute decision, late at night. Look at the time Chris mentioned in the post header bud. It's never been an issue in the past - and he knows I've shot there several times before without concern. We have now agreed it would be better if I did. I don't know why he felt in neccessary to call the plod rather than find my number - perhaps he was getting some grief from one of his tree hugging townie neighbours. We have not yet discovered what happened to the sheep, he says one bolted, however we noted how they remained laying down untill we got real close before moving off... not very far and not bolting. I insisted on paying for any damage I may or may not have contributed to. The closing part of our telephone conversation was that he was not bothered about the loss but how many rabbits we got. As to what sheep they are, I dunno, they're just white sheep to me I'm afrain. Alex - yes, I suspect he was just trying to justfy his actions in hindsight for calling the police. I probably won't shoot there again but he has substantial land in a more remote place near to where I live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 I also find it hard to believe that one sheep would panic and run and not the rest of them, but you have done the right thing by paying for it, it's pennies compared to losing the shooting rights. I have shot near sheep and never known them take any notice, horses will sometimes bolt, cows find it too much trouble to even look up. It would also appear that the 223 rounds were for his Remington, not his H&K. Bearing in mind what has occurred, it may be prudent to phone him prior to each visit, especially if he is so keen to call the police. I would not notify your local police that you are going out, I started doing this, and every time that I told them, they turned up chased me around the fields to ask if I was the one who had phoned them Up 'till then I had never seen them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) me and a mate was standing talking to a farmer we shoot for one day in the farm yard. crow lands about 80 yds away , my mate said to me "shoot it". I shot it and a sheep that was stood very near to us fell over stone dead. The farmer said bloody hell, never seen that before, and walked of laughing. .17 hmr with a un proofed sak mod on. the sheep cost us nothing. give the lads a break, its hard at times to try to explain things that have happened. Edited May 13, 2008 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Hmm, add to that the fact that the Heckler and Koch MP5 used by the British Police is not 223 but 9mm parabellum, and you have to start to wonder....? Police also use H & K G36 Assault Rifles chamebered in 5.56 Nato. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Hmm, add to that the fact that the Heckler and Koch MP5 used by the British Police is not 223 but 9mm parabellum, and you have to start to wonder....? Police also use H & K G36 Assault Rifles chamebered in 5.56 Nato. "Fleabag. i think he also said they use a Remington 700." Try and keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 I was saying that the police also use another weapon in 5.56mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 The reason I'm stuggling for a suitable sound moderator is I'm currently running a setup that needs a 30mm or smaller O/D can on the front. See here I hear what some of you say about using unproofed silencers - but these are substantial 'cans apart from the baffling not being made for powder/supersonics, and we all know how much silly stuff we have to go through to replace or acquire one. The one on my LR barrel is a 30mm O/D plastic soundbiter mod and as said previously - I have a SAK available. How then would I justify another one? I have a couple of sturdy ones that I can experiment with different baffling. The noisy one referred to in this thread is quite long but had 7.5mm holes in the uniform distanced baffles and end cap Vs 6mm in the short quieter one which also has different size reasonance chambers between the baffles and a 5.5mm hole in the end cap that I machined myself. There arn't many dedicated 17HMR moderators that I know of to try. The one in the photo, which performed well for several months was currently removed due to the brass baffles corroding. I confess a learning curve here, but this should again work well when I refit it now I have some steel baffles for it. As for the debate about what force might use or not use what bullets in what gun I can't really comment. Chris was keeping the younger of the ARU chaps occupied talking about feet per second etc while the other was scrutinising my certificate, the rifles held and ammo etc as well as showing an interest in the LaserScope. At this time he also examined other documents I enclosed with it and noted that I kept a list of shooting references with the certificate - one of which was the farmers wife. They also proposed that I now commence calling their HQ everytime I go out - well I've never done that before and I doubt I will now. A surprising point that we somehow forgot to mention is that the uniformed officers who first attended were aware from the outset that the farmer had given SOMEONE permission to shoot there - but he could'nt recall my name and perhaps did'nt want to wake his wife. The farmhouse is away from from the fields we have permission in which are best accessed from somewhere else. I s'pose I ought to bother him a bit more now so he'll remember me. Good job I don't live in East Anglia though innit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBill Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Hmm, add to that the fact that the Heckler and Koch MP5 used by the British Police is not 223 but 9mm parabellum, and you have to start to wonder....? Police also use H & K G36 Assault Rifles chamebered in 5.56 Nato. "Fleabag. i think he also said they use a Remington 700." Try and keep up. The standard carbine across a lot of the UK is now the G36 carried routinely with a SLP carried also. Depending upon the type of ARV deployed they may well have a sniper rifle as well. In this case that would appear to be the 700, although I've only known the 700 used in 7.62 for police purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Perhaps the copper meant the rounds were for a blueprinted Remington 700? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 I'm really not looking forward to the time when this happens to me! I'm sure it will one day. I think the biggest problem with it will be that I know one of the armed response guys in my area. If he comes out I will get serious p*** taking for the look on my face for a long time. I'd **** a brick if I was faced with an MP5 They do make a .223 MP5, although technically it's a MP53. Don't know if the plod use it though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 (edited) what i find strange is these people say it cant be true 223 dont fit in MP5 well they dont only use MP5's they use a verity of firearms so what fleabag says is perfectly possible. Guys the MP53 is 5.56 fact, looks like a standard MP5 just a tiny bit bigger so if you are not agun geek easy to get confused. Most forces are now using the G36 which to my mind is a far better bit of kit than the 53 but you can bet some still have the 53. Dave Edited May 16, 2008 by Devilishdave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 me and a mate was standing talking to a farmer we shoot for one day in the farm yard.crow lands about 80 yds away , my mate said to me "shoot it". I shot it and a sheep that was stood very near to us fell over stone dead. The farmer said bloody hell, never seen that before, and walked of laughing. .17 hmr with a un proofed sak mod on. the sheep cost us nothing. give the lads a break, its hard at times to try to explain things that have happened. OMG I found your story hilarious. I duno fi it was a serious thing, doesn't sound like it although it does sound pretty funny (the alcohol im slowly consuming might be a help to the humor) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto culto Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 if you are leicestershire force they will be federal. My Father is the armourer for Leicester shire them so if you want info more info let me know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Sounds like the bullets I use. By Blue print I take it that each round is checked and adjusted for exact seating depth of the bullet head etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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