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My wife and her friend are away for the wekend so I'm looking

after my own two kids and the friends lad, plus the dogs :good: .

 

I took him to a clay shoot this afternoon and let him fire my Remi.

 

He loved it but unfortunatly he only weighs about 5 stone wet through

and was not physically strong enough to hold the gun and withstand the

recoil.

 

I ended up with my hand behind the butt to absorb some of the impact

the lads arms were just too short to hold the gun.

 

He loved it though and I know that he would love to come back again

but he is incapable of holding my gun. This is one lad that could turn out

to be a bad un if he is alowed to continue the path he is on. He has been

suspended from his school and now goes to a "special" school, he has had

a few scrapes with the law and if somthing does not change the lad will

cock his life up and end up in jail.

He has no father but I have known him since he was a few years old

he does not respond to many but because I have been a constant in his

life he trusts me and I am sort of a father figure. I want to give him

somthing else to think about and the discaplin asciated with shooting

could do him good.

 

So where do I go now. I only shoot clays and I thought about getting

a small gun so he could come with me. Trouble is I can't afford to

spend £100's on a gun but I know I could pick up a 410 for a small amout.

 

Would it be a waste of time letting someone shoot at clays with a 410.

I want him to enjoy himself and have the thrill of hitting the target some

of the time, would he stand a chance with a 410 or would I make it worse

by letting him shoot without the prospect of him hitting much.

 

He is a lad that has no future but I don't want him to end up wasteing his

life. I know shooting may make no difference but at least he wil have

somthing to do that is in a secure environment and he will learn responcilbility.

 

Any advice welcomed.

 

Cheers taz.

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Good on you Taz.

 

I reckon a cheap .410 would fit the bill perfectly, nice and light, little recoil, and I can crunch up clays with mine till the cows come home.

 

Good luck with this lad, he is lucky to have someone like you to help him out :good: :(

 

ZB

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why not go down the air rifle route Taz? im sure you could both get a second hand one cheap enough, this would give him something to put his mind to. :good: if you keep guiding him the way you are, he'll turn out ok :(

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A mate of mine went through a very similar experience several years ago.

 

He went down the 410 route, even shortened the stock. You can hit clays with a 410, just dont get too ambitious.

 

You should use the shooting as reward for good behaviour. Make sure that he knows that he is going shooting because ??, similarly, he can not go shooting tomorrow because he QQQQQQQQ, but that he can go next week if he behaves himself... It does work, and as you say, may just be the thing that swings him in the right direction.

 

webber

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A lot depends on the physical build of the lad, I would suggest trying to find him the largest gauge shotgun he can handle.

If you get a .410, then within a year you will be looking for something bigger, whereas a 20 gauge or cut down 12 gauge will last for a heck of a lot longer.

 

What you are doing is excellent and certainly deserves to be successful. :good:

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Thanks guys.

 

I have no experience with a 410 and it is good to know

he could hit clays with one.

Air rifles are an option and I'm not ruleing them out but

with clays it would be more organised and I think that would

suit me more (I don't want to introduce anything that could

worsen his situation).

 

Thanks for the advice guys. Webber I agree with you and I think

that the lad responds to me because I have been constant with

him. He knows that my yes'es mean yes and my no's mean no.

 

His mother does not discaplin him (not without verbal screaming)

but he knows that I mean what I say.

When he is with me he is like a litle lamb and as polite as any one could

hope for.

But he is a rum un and he could easly go of the rails.

 

Cheers guys taz.

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A lot depends on the physical build of the lad, I would suggest trying to find him the largest gauge shotgun he can handle.

If you get a .410, then within a year you will be looking for something bigger, whereas a 20 gauge or cut down 12 gauge will last for a heck of a lot longer.

 

What you are doing is excellent and certainly deserves to be successful. :(

 

 

Thanks for the advice.

 

He is a scrawny runt :good: and when I say he

only weighs 5stone wet through I am not exagerating.

 

I would consider a 20 or 28 gauge but I would think they

are out of the price range I would look at.

 

I have not ruled out any option but I honestly think that

if I let him use a 12g again even modified it would cause him

harm.

 

Cheers taz.

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Don't think about a 28g as the cost of the cartridges will give you a heart attack.

 

My lad started with a .410, and I took him to a charity clay shoot and he ended up getting a round of applause.

 

Stick to 'easy' clay a reasonable distances and he should do ok.

 

Great that you are doing this - he is obviously at a cross roads in his life, and any help will matter

 

Don

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Taz i commend you for bothering with the lad . It is a similar situation to me . My brother does nothing interactive with his 14 year old twins . If allowed to they would run riot . The only time there mums bothers with them is to give them a bo!!ocking.

 

When i started shooting again they showed great interest and always asked if they could come along.

I saw a 410 advertised locally and at the right price. This purchased and we were off to the clay ground. We found a few traps that had easy targets .

They then had the chance to enjoy something that only they had the power to opperate in which to break the clays .

Also that this was indeed a treat that cost lots of money.

 

Watching there face light up when they broke a clay was worth every penny. It is true that you should buy him the biggest gun that he can fire . But be careful that he will tire easily . The lads can use my 12 g semi but after a few shots they start to weaken and constantly miss. I have just upgrade them to a 20 bore but at no exta cost as they have been using the 410 for about 18 months and are now ready to move up . They love shooting to bits and I think it has taught them lots of respect which is my whole intention .

 

Hope this helps and all works out well

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Cheers guys.

Iwas realy proud of him and told him so when I explained the rules.

 

I stated that for him at the moment the two most important

rules were

1 never ever walk with a loaded gun

2 never ever point the gun anywhere except down range

 

and he sad yeh because if it was to go off it could hurt sombody.

So if nothing else ever comes of this he now realises the power

of a gun and never ever point one anywhere except down range.

 

Cheers taz.

 

 

 

Another daft question!!

 

12g 16g 20g, 28g, I understand why they are called that and how the bore

is sized, but why is a 410 a 410 and what gauge would one be?

 

Cheers taz.

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do the clay ground have anything to rent out ? nwss charge £5.00 to rent a gun

could be worth asking

 

 

Hi ya..

 

I shoot a few grounds and two have loan guns to my knowledge but

unfortunatley they are 12g.

 

I don't mind getting a 410 now that I know you can use them on clays.

 

So it looks like I'm in the market for a cheap used 410 :good:

 

Cheers taz

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Another daft question!!

 

12g 16g 20g, 28g, I understand why they are called that and how the bore

is sized, but why is a 410 a 410 and what gauge would one be?

 

Cheers taz.

 

.410 is the bore diameter measurement expressed in inches, just like .22, .38 or .50 cal. If it were a gauge/bore (ie 12/20/28 etc), then according to wiki it would be 67 or 68 gauge. However, to complicate matters further I have heard .410 referred to as 36 bore/gauge.

 

ZB

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Another daft question!!

 

12g 16g 20g, 28g, I understand why they are called that and how the bore

is sized, but why is a 410 a 410 and what gauge would one be?

 

Cheers taz.

 

.410 is the bore diameter measurement expressed in inches, just like .22, .38 or .50 cal. If it were a gauge/bore (ie 12/20/28 etc), then according to wiki it would be 67 or 68 gauge. However, to complicate matters further I have heard .410 referred to as 36 bore/gauge.

 

ZB

 

Cheers Mate always wondered..

 

taz

 

 

what about getting a secondhand 12, maybe having the stock cut down and using calibre reducing inserts?

 

I did not know you could use inserts!!!

Do they go down the whole barrel or are they just in the chamber?

If they are in the chamber only how is the expansion of the gases in the barrel

maintained when the wad leaves the insert??

 

Cheers taz

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