malkiserow Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 (edited) Looks interesting.............. >>> clicky <<< anyone going for one? Edited July 25, 2008 by malkiserow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Don`t think I will. This monstrosity first saw the light of day at about the same time as the Xtrema mk.I. The Xtrema MK.1 was so badly designed and had so many faults that they had to redesign it from the ground up, ending up with the infinitely better Xtrema Mk.2. The same Beretta design team which brought us the Xtrema1 also came up with this thing which was withdrawn from sale shortly afterwards. The same gun has been re launched,unmodified, since I suspect they`ve invested a lot of money in tooling up for it. It weighs close on 9 pounds, and in terms of its application in life - is pointless. Put me down for a definite NO. Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 what is the point of it?? COUGH***gimmick***COUGH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 You are obviously so well informed that you know nothing about what you are talking about. The xtrema 1 is no way badly designed, I would go as far to say that it is hard to improve on it. There isn't a 12b cartridge around that it will not cycle, There is no recoil so why Beretta decided to redisn it and fit the kick off system I don't know. It uses the Benelli rotating bolt system and mine is faultless and it has spent an overnight session in the sea. So many faults hey, Mine has given me nothing but trouble free service for the 3 or 4 years that I have had it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 The break barrel semi auto that beretta are bringing out is to prove a semi auto safe on a clay site, but seeing as it can only hold 2 cartridges i dont see the point, you might as well just have an o/u. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 You are obviously so well informed that you know nothing about what you are talking about. The xtrema 1 is no way badly designed, I would go as far to say that it is hard to improve on it. There isn't a 12b cartridge around that it will not cycle, There is no recoil so why Beretta decided to redisn it and fit the kick off system I don't know. It uses the Benelli rotating bolt system and mine is faultless and it has spent an overnight session in the sea. So many faults hey, Mine has given me nothing but trouble free service for the 3 or 4 years that I have had it. You have obviously has a good one..... My extrema 1 went back after three months for a full refund.Mag tube kept jamming,action bar snapped and two firing pins broke. Thats not two mention the barrel started to rust........The usb25 was also a problem and withdrawn as after designed it was found it failed to operate reliably when manufactured. Teething problems are always found with early production guns and it is like anything else- you just improve on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 it looks good, but only holds 2 carts no point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steyrman Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 (edited) So many faults hey, Mine has given me nothing but trouble free service for the 3 or 4 years that I have had it. correct best semi i have owned Edited July 25, 2008 by steyrman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windknot Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 The UGB25 is designed as a trap gun- downward ejection helps, and two cartridges is all you need. Never intended as a field gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 what is the price of the gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) Steyrman, Sorry to point this out mate, but according to the list of guns you own, you don`t actually have a Beretta Xtrema Mk.1. Yours is an Urika 2 which is, as you rightly say, faultless. Martincavie, Its always nice to be complimented about what one knows. You`ve probably noticed from my location that I live 3 miles away from GMK, the main Beretta importer,and correctly deduced that I have connections with their staff. I used to have an XTmk 1. I could`nt get on with the 8lb trigger pull with a quarter inch of free play, the weight of the gun, its great length, poor handling and constant rusting. Could you share with us your opinion as to why Beretta completely redesigned the gun when you feel that it was "hard to improve upon" and why it had the shortest production run of any Beretta gun,ever. Regards, Nick. Edited July 26, 2008 by mudpatten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poacher Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 they've been "releasing" this gun now for about 2-3years, still seen nothing of it. Is there a reason for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 they've been "releasing" this gun now for about 2-3years, still seen nothing of it. Is there a reason for that :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Had a look at one at the CLA, Ugly, bulky, heavy!!!! didn't like the lever to break the barrel, looks like a car bonnet release catch. Not for me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 You are obviously so well informed that you know nothing about what you are talking about. The xtrema 1 is no way badly designed, I would go as far to say that it is hard to improve on it. There isn't a 12b cartridge around that it will not cycle, There is no recoil so why Beretta decided to redisn it and fit the kick off system I don't know. It uses the Benelli rotating bolt system and mine is faultless and it has spent an overnight session in the sea. So many faults hey, Mine has given me nothing but trouble free service for the 3 or 4 years that I have had it. must agree,i know a few people who have them,and have never had a problem,and only matter of time before i buy one,but probably will try and get the mk2 ,only because by the time i can afford one it ll be as old as mk1 lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Nice looking gun??? i dont know, probably just different i think..... If it was released around the time of the MK1 extrema how come i have never seen on ever or how come this is the first time i have ever seen one? i havent seen a gun of this design before, prety pointless ill agree, designed as a trap gun but with no major advantages over a good basic O/U. I think its a gun for people who wish to be the centre of attension at the clay ground with their look at me gun. I dont think it will ever be on my christmas list P.S - does anyone know the sale value? (out of curiosity) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Steyrman, Sorry to point this out mate, but according to the list of guns you own, you don`t actually have a Beretta Xtrema Mk.1. Yours is an Urika 2 which is, as you rightly say, faultless. Martincavie, Its always nice to be complimented about what one knows. You`ve probably noticed from my location that I live 3 miles away from GMK, the main Beretta importer,and correctly deduced that I have connections with their staff. I used to have an XTmk 1. I could`nt get on with the 8lb trigger pull with a quarter inch of free play, the weight of the gun, its great length, poor handling and constant rusting. Could you share with us your opinion as to why Beretta completely redesigned the gun when you feel that it was "hard to improve upon" and why it had the shortest production run of any Beretta gun,ever. Regards, Nick. Nick, Sorry to pull you up on this one but you do not have a location on your profile. I also couldn't tell you off hand where GMK are. I have never had to use them as i said my Xtrema has never missed a beat. Nor have the other 3 peoples who I know. I once went on holiday to Italy though, so you would have thought I would know a bit about pasta. I would be very suprised if the xtrema 2 was designed from the ground up. I would bet that at least 50% of it shares the same parts as the Mk1 Development, that is why it had a short production run, the same reason there is a silver pigeon 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5. If we all thought like you we would all be driving model T fords and living in caves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearandnoidea Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 (edited) What's the difference between the silver pigeon S, II, III etc? I thought it was just down to the quality of the wood and engraving which is why I've been considering the cheaper versions. However if there is a difference in the design of the gun itself I may have to look into it a bit more. Anyone know what the difference is? Edited July 28, 2008 by allthegearandnoidea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 (edited) Martincavie, I must apologize for the lack of location on my profile. I`ll rectify that as soon as I work out how. My initial critisiscm of the XT1 was in the context of it being a product of the same design team as the break barrel auto. I did`nt cast aspersions on you personally or your gun to which you are obviously attached. Neither did I comment on the operation of the XT1. Mine, like yours was faultless in that respect. You may well have to contact GMK if you need any spare parts for your XT1. They will inform you that it is out of production and the wait for major components will be anything up to 18 months. Sales of the XT1 in the US, the main market, bombed. The faults being guns that shot to the left, the chokes being crooked. The 8lb trigger pull with 1/4"of slack before the break point. Its length, bulk, weight and general clumsyness and a tendency to rust. This gun was such a design and sales disaster that they did indeed redesign it completely. Neither the furniture, the barrel, the action or the trigger mechanism are interchangeable. If you don`t believe me , try to fit the barrel from an XT1 onto an XT2. They look similar, but don`t fit! The various models of Silver pigeon are identical apart from cosmetic detail and owe nothing to development and everything to marketing. I have sold my model T Ford,purchased an Austin Allegro and moved to a larger cave. I have no problem at all with progress but I take serious issue with poorly thought out design. The old Beretta 300 series autos had many common major components. The design team got that one right from the outset and improved upon it. The XT1 was an unusual Beretta design aberration which they themselves did not find "Hard to improve upon." Nick. Edited July 28, 2008 by mudpatten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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