TomBASC Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) Asking for the help of all of the uk shooting community As everyone knows the government is digging its heels in about implimenting the badger cull. Whilst these decision makers are sat in there offices in the middle of london making all the decisions and most have never even seen a real badger ! As you will probably also be aware with the cull in place it will also have an impact on the amount of deer that carry TB and will reduce numbers back down to a rarety as opposed to being quite common these days By getting a petition with 10 thousand signatures on it will make the difference of wether the cull goes ahead or not Please do your bit by signing the form at uk gamekeeper .com If anyone is a member of other sites please feel free to copy and paste this around Many thanks *note to moderators please dont remove this thread as it will benefit all members that use it, It is not an effort to poach your members as you will see from the website there is only a petition on there and no other content and signatures will only be implimented for putting to parliament. Edited July 26, 2008 by TomBASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Linky no worky Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) signed Edited July 26, 2008 by dustyfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 signed about tme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Linky no worky Tom I cant find it either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1966 Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) try this http://tinyurl.com/65e3xe tried a straight link but it would not work. Edited July 26, 2008 by paulolivier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 And me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzeneye Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 done and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choke it Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 signed too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 can someone explain to me why a badger cull is needed please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 To control bovine TB, click the link and have a read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilv Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 (edited) Err - hold on a minute there - Telegraph article showing that culling has little or no effect. Wiping out a native animal should be based on good evidence. The evidence shows that it doesn't work. Badgers have been virtually made extinct in Ireland and they have seen a rise in TB, not only that, they have far more TB than we have in England. Cattle diseases of all kinds as well as bird flu are much more spread by animal trade than by wildlife. FMD went country wide because of the huge volume of trade in beasts same with Bernard Mafeew and his Bird Flue outbreak. The trade claimed it was spread by wild birds - ******** - Mafews was trucking in infected birds from near an outbreak in Hungary to a processing plant right next door to a massive turkey growing operation. The genetic footprint of the virus was identical to the Hungarian one, thrity miles away from where he was shipping in about four truckloads of turkey carcases a week. One of the farms I shoot on, the guy was a big dealer in sheep at the time of the FMD plague. He was buying hundreds, keeping them a few days and selling them on. There are other solutions we could try - like vaccination. I'm a shooter to my bones, but part of that has to be preserving the wild species we have. Edited July 27, 2008 by Evilv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Mankind strikes again. We'll not be happy until we've wiped out every last species that causes any sort of inconvenience to our food chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Mankind strikes again. We'll not be happy until we've wiped out every last species that causes any sort of inconvenience to our food chain. try telling that to a farmer who has lost everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 (edited) "Asking for the help of all of the uk shooting community As everyone knows the government is digging its heels in about implimenting the badger cull. Whilst these decision makers are sat in there offices in the middle of london making all the decisions and most have never even seen a real badger ! As you will probably also be aware with the cull in place it will also have an impact on the amount of deer that carry TB and will reduce numbers back down to a rarety as opposed to being quite common these days By getting a petition with 10 thousand signatures on it will make the difference of wether the cull goes ahead or not Please do your bit by signing the form at uk gamekeeper .com If anyone is a member of other sites please feel free to copy and paste this around Many thanks " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ As the 'C' in BASC stands for conservation, why is a conservation body trying to put a protected species on the threatened species list? "reduce numbers back down to a rarety" Why? Evilv's post makes interesting reading, and no doubt that both sides are tweaking the figures, but it's a fairly convincing argument that TB in cattle and the badger population is not connected. "BBC News; The groups believe their assessment supports the view that bovine TB in Ireland is largely spread by the movement of cattle. They say the disease rocketed in Ireland when pre-movement TB testing for cattle was abandoned in 1996." That sounds fairly convincing to myself, if it is true, but surely an independant report based on the Irish results should be carried out before decimating badger numbers in the UK? Edited July 27, 2008 by bob300w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 On one of my permissions badgers have reached epidemic proportions and with no natural predator to control them their impact on other wildlife is beyond belief.Yes I know they eat a lot of worms BUT only after they have eaten everything else! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 On one of my permissions badgers have reached epidemic proportions and with no natural predator to control them their impact on other wildlife is beyond belief.Yes I know they eat a lot of worms BUT only after they have eaten everything else! Exactly what impact "beyond belief" have they had on your shoot? There are at least a dozen on my patch, I have yet to witness any harm to the shoot or farm. Their food is mostly carrion, mice, rats, worms and vegetable matter, which they are welcome to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 "Asking for the help of all of the uk shooting communityAs everyone knows the government is digging its heels in about implimenting the badger cull. Whilst these decision makers are sat in there offices in the middle of london making all the decisions and most have never even seen a real badger ! As you will probably also be aware with the cull in place it will also have an impact on the amount of deer that carry TB and will reduce numbers back down to a rarety as opposed to being quite common these days By getting a petition with 10 thousand signatures on it will make the difference of wether the cull goes ahead or not Please do your bit by signing the form at uk gamekeeper .com If anyone is a member of other sites please feel free to copy and paste this around Many thanks " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ As the 'C' in BASC stands for conservation, why is a conservation body trying to put a protected species on the threatened species list? "reduce numbers back down to a rarety" Why? Evilv's post makes interesting reading, and no doubt that both sides are tweaking the figures, but it's a fairly convincing argument that TB in cattle and the badger population is not connected. "BBC News; The groups believe their assessment supports the view that bovine TB in Ireland is largely spread by the movement of cattle. They say the disease rocketed in Ireland when pre-movement TB testing for cattle was abandoned in 1996." That sounds fairly convincing to myself, if it is true, but surely an independant report based on the Irish results should be carried out before decimating badger numbers in the UK? I could be wrong but doesn't he mean reduce tb numbers in deer down to a rarity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 "Asking for the help of all of the uk shooting communityAs everyone knows the government is digging its heels in about implimenting the badger cull. Whilst these decision makers are sat in there offices in the middle of london making all the decisions and most have never even seen a real badger ! As you will probably also be aware with the cull in place it will also have an impact on the amount of deer that carry TB and will reduce numbers back down to a rarety as opposed to being quite common these days By getting a petition with 10 thousand signatures on it will make the difference of wether the cull goes ahead or not Please do your bit by signing the form at uk gamekeeper .com If anyone is a member of other sites please feel free to copy and paste this around Many thanks " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ As the 'C' in BASC stands for conservation, why is a conservation body trying to put a protected species on the threatened species list? "reduce numbers back down to a rarety" Why? Evilv's post makes interesting reading, and no doubt that both sides are tweaking the figures, but it's a fairly convincing argument that TB in cattle and the badger population is not connected. "BBC News; The groups believe their assessment supports the view that bovine TB in Ireland is largely spread by the movement of cattle. They say the disease rocketed in Ireland when pre-movement TB testing for cattle was abandoned in 1996." That sounds fairly convincing to myself, if it is true, but surely an independant report based on the Irish results should be carried out before decimating badger numbers in the UK? I could be wrong but doesn't he mean reduce tb numbers in deer down to a rarity? Possibly, it's not worded too precise. But if it does, it only reflects on the latter question in the first paragraph of my post, If badgers are giving deer TB (and I have seen no proof of this either) why has it not been a problem for the past 2000 plus years? Why now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Mankind strikes again. We'll not be happy until we've wiped out every last species that causes any sort of inconvenience to our food chain. try telling that to a farmer who has lost everything If I can find one I'll ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Disregarding my personal views on the badger culling issue I doubt that TomBASC represents BASC in any way shape or form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 On one of my permissions badgers have reached epidemic proportions and with no natural predator to control them their impact on other wildlife is beyond belief.Yes I know they eat a lot of worms BUT only after they have eaten everything else! Exactly what impact "beyond belief" have they had on your shoot? There are at least a dozen on my patch, I have yet to witness any harm to the shoot or farm. Their food is mostly carrion, mice, rats, worms and vegetable matter, which they are welcome to! NO hedgehogs,no groundnesting birds. Your "dozen" are nothing like epidemic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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