Maskey Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Hi just started clay shooting and i woundered what cartridge is best 24grms or 28grms (what's the difference) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambu13 Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 id go 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 The chances are the only difference you will notice is that the 24g will be slightly cheaper and have a bit less recoil. Apparently they pattern better as well however they may struggle to cycle some autos. I just use 28g of 7.5's fibre and get on with it. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 I use 15/16 fibre 8's. they seem to do the trick and the recoil realy isnt a problem. If you are new to clay shooting I would use whatever you are provided with, because 4g of powder isnt going to make a noticable difference at the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 (edited) I use 15/16 fibre 8's. they seem to do the trick and the recoil realy isnt a problem. If you are new to clay shooting I would use whatever you are provided with, because 4g of powder isnt going to make a noticable difference at the start. 4 GRAMS OF POWDER? That would be your meeting with St. Peter organised! I know you mean SHOT! I agree, 24 grams is fine! As a matter of fact, I go lower; I shoot 21 grams most of the time these days. Edited September 7, 2008 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 OK FC, im talking about 4 grams of power with at lest 1/4 of steel between it and me, and who says anything about me seeing St.Peter, that would be suprising! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Learn to shoot at the right piece of sky and it won't matter what the cartidge, shot size or choke is. I even bought some steel shot the other day and couldn't tell the diffrence, shot 27/30 and cleaned up on the pool shoot ( pure fluke really) Modern cartidges are so good they will be better than my shooting is the forseable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peely Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 I've been using 24gram for the last couple of months. Little bit cheap and they do seem to pattern better. Very little recoil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardy_bradderz Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 24 definitely. Get some fantastic long breaks with Lyalvale Express 24g HVs Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon1003 Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 24 definitely. Get some fantastic long breaks with Lyalvale Express 24g HVs Brad Have you tried the High Velocity 21 grams? I've been trying them for the last month and my scores haven't dropped one bit. Bargain too at £128 per 1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Lots of newbie's seem to thing bigger loads and faster velocities will give them an advantage. WRONG!! Their theory is that more lead in the air, and a faster delivery will mean needing less skill ( ie bigger pattern and less observed lead = more scores) WRONG!!! Choke determines pattern diameter, and its the same for 21g / 24g / 28g 32g - more pellets does NOT equal a bigger pattern, a more open choke does. 1650 fps muzzle velocity will blow a pattern to pieces. The best carts rely on their competition reputation and don't quote MV. Best patterns come from relatively slow OVs, 1250 / 1300 fps Observed Velocity. Anything that leaves the barrel slows to about 1100 fps in the first 10 yds or so, and the really fast quoted speeds make about 4-6" true difference on a 30 yd target, while they have happily chucked a good portion of the pellets into a ragged edge string that has insufficient density to break anything. Many long term shooters ( including myself) have found that lighter loads give higher scores. Why, simple - big fast loads cause lots on impact on the body - this creates reaction and fatigue. Bottom line is nice light loads mean no sore shoulders, cheek bones, and no rattled brain, so the mind can concentrate of getting the pattern where it counts, on the target to break it. Stay light and WIN Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMT Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 I have to agree with clayman. I bought a slab of Hull Comp x 21 gram for my wife as they produce hardly any recoil. I took them to my local shoot last sunday to have a go with them and hit 42 / 50. My best ever is only 43 / 50 and that was some time ago. I am now a convert to light loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver_pigeon Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 I agree, 24 grm doesnt cycle so well in Autos, but if you are using a O/U then either is as good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windknot Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 I do like the 21 gramme carts- they shoot better'n I do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 24 definitely. Get some fantastic long breaks with Lyalvale Express 24g HVs Brad Have you tried the High Velocity 21 grams? I've been trying them for the last month and my scores haven't dropped one bit. Bargain too at £128 per 1000. Si i have seen you shoot your scores couldnt drop much lower LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 i all ways use light loads,and get on better , not used 32 gram for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK8 Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Err, you cant use 32 gram loads for registered clays anyway!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpa Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 I just tried the 21g carts yesterday... very impressed. I was hitting some fast clays at 40+ yards and the lack of recoil meant that second shots could be taken quickly. I'm now a convert. Plus they are lighter to carry hehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruger Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 lyevalve express 21 grams hv very good cartridge no recoil maximum 1400 fps good light cartridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninj Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) Just to offer a different perspective; the felt recoil from a cartridge can often be down to the powder/components used by a manufacturer. To give an example, I have used Hull CompX 28g for a while. I picked up a limited stock of CompX in 21g and remain very impressed. However, due to unavailability, I swapped to 24g Express Super Comps. Having a mix in my pocket, I was very suprised how much more thumpy the 24g Super Comp was over the 21g CompX. As an acid test, I dropped in a 28g CompX and I found barely any difference between it and the 24g Super Comp. Currently trying the 28g Express World Cup and at 1500 fps, appreciably more recoil than some 28g clay cartridges. So, to cut a long story short, look at the specs of the cartridge, might help make your decision. Edited October 13, 2008 by Ninj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Ninj, A good post from you, you've obviously done your homework, however it's clear that no manufacturer will admit to producing a shell that's hard on the shoulder. The only way to find out is to try them yourself, forget the gobblydegook that's printed on the cartridge boxes, it's how it feels to you when you pull the trigger that matters. I've also tried the Hull 21 gram loads, it's pretty similar to the recoil you get from an airgun,....amazing..!! Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninj Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) Absolutely agree Cat. I am always painfully aware of not getting paranoid about cartridge choice, but in this case, it was stark! Definately try a variety of shells from all of the manufacturers and form your own opinion. FPS is not always a good measure of recoil, but couple a high FPS and a cheap cartridge and you'll more often than not find a thumpy recoil. FPS is obviously another debate, but once you settle on a cartridge, stick with it for a couple of thousand (I will one of these days!!) Edited October 13, 2008 by Ninj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdennis Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 24 definitely. Get some fantastic long breaks with Lyalvale Express 24g HVs Brad Have you tried the High Velocity 21 grams? I've been trying them for the last month and my scores haven't dropped one bit. Bargain too at £128 per 1000. where from mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodit Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 I really like the Hull 21 gram cartridges so little recoil and through my AL391 its a case of recoil wot recoil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardy_bradderz Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) Bought some Express Supreme Comp 28g 7.5 the other day. Got a good deal on them (£49 for 250). They kick a bit but WOW! Hit noticeably more clays using these than usual. Less lead was required as they are fast. They also look nice too, nearly half the length of the case is brass! Usually use Express HV 24g, but the performance of these supreme comps is noticeably better. A slightly bruised shoulder was well worth it Brad Edited November 2, 2008 by beardy_bradderz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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