tabs Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Evening gents, I am in two minds how to write this, but I will give bare bones and see what the response is. I visited to one of my farmers today for a chat, who has informed me that he has had a visit from some very organised unsociable types. In short, house turned upside down in a methodical manor, specific items taken inclusive of a gun cabinet ripped from the wall. Not so uncommon i hear, but this is the third such attack that we know of within the last fortnight in our locale. The reason i am posting, and the reason for dilemma, is that the local Police have actively attempted to dissuade the victims to publicise the fact that not only guns were taken, but that they were possibly targeted, along with the fact that the response has been "...somewhat underwhelming..". The official line is that the public would be panicked if it were made public knowledge. Whilst I can see that antis would use these incidents against the legitimate ownership of guns, I do not believe that this has any relevance on the police response to publicity. Any feedback would be appreciated. Tabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 (edited) Always keep a gun under your bed!. You didn't hear that from me Either way, I'd inform anyone you it might conern (Other fellows with firearms) just to be safe... Edited October 11, 2008 by Bleeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 I can't understand why the Police would not want the victim to disclose that guns were stolen. Fears of the public being "panicked" seems a bit OTT. Theft of guns is not something that usually riles the Antis, so I agree that this is not an issue. This is probably one of those events where there are other factors that we are not aware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabs Posted October 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 With you Bleeh, in the process. Cranfield, other factors in 3 seperate incidents? sureley we (gun holders) need to know. Tabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Surely it would be best if every legitemate gun owner reviewed their own personal home security knowing thieves were delibretly targeting people? If i was aware that guns were being stolen to order-i would atleast try to beef up security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabs Posted October 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 (edited) Thats is part of my point Impefection, no one is being made aware. We dont know how many of these have happened, only through the grapevine. Just to let you know, I have experience of building and basic home security, nothing would have stopped these guys, they left a 2m nail bar snapped in half where they prized the cabinet off the wall! These guys aint local chancers. Why do the authorities want these things kept quiet? Edited October 11, 2008 by tabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Everyone on here knows at least 10 people that have a gun cabinet and those people probably know another 10. If this was a national epidemic we would all know about it soon enough. Lets not go lolliping off down the "conspiracy theory" route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 (edited) The quickest way to beef up security, is to simply take the fore-end off each shotgun, and store them somewhere else, like you should do with the bolts of rifles... Do you lot have a ''farm watch'' or the same sort of thing? Edited October 11, 2008 by Bleeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taz24 Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 (edited) Evening gents, I am in two minds how to write this, but I will give bare bones and see what the response is. I visited to one of my farmers today for a chat, who has informed me that he has had a visit from some very organised unsociable types. In short, house turned upside down in a methodical manor, specific items taken inclusive of a gun cabinet ripped from the wall. Not so uncommon i hear, but this is the third such attack that we know of within the last fortnight in our locale. The reason i am posting, and the reason for dilemma, is that the local Police have actively attempted to dissuade the victims to publicise the fact that not only guns were taken, but that they were possibly targeted, along with the fact that the response has been "...somewhat underwhelming..". The official line is that the public would be panicked if it were made public knowledge. Whilst I can see that antis would use these incidents against the legitimate ownership of guns, I do not believe that this has any relevance on the police response to publicity. Any feedback would be appreciated. Tabs Maybe the police want it kept quiet because they are working on the case and are planning to get the gang in the near future. If the gang are spooked by press coverage they might stop and the police might not want this. Only guessing I do not know the answers. taz. Edited October 11, 2008 by taz24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Maybe the police want it kept quiet because they are working on the case and are planning to get the gang in the near future. If the gang are spooked by press coverage they might stop and the police might not want this. Only guessing I do not know the answers. taz. That sounds like the most feasable option. I know the Police have their critics,but they do tend to take gun crime kinda seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabs Posted October 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Cranfiled, I am far too horizontal and real to go off on some conspriacy theory, I have promised a very upset and respected member of the community to highlight what he sees as "...an underwhelming response..." from our authorities. I sincerely hope this is only local, but I doubt it. I am posting this and talking to others because I would feel cheated if I did not know this was happening in my area. Not looking for anything other than information on others experiences and thoughts, all of which are welcome. Bleeh, from what i saw, these fellas wouldnt have missed anything, not a stone unturned, cant say what happened in the other properties, but second hand seems the same. The local equivalrnt of Farm Watch have emailed a general that Computers and laptops etc have been taken. hardly an appropriate sharing of information. This again is my point, why hide the details? Taz, no neighbours have been interviewed, I have keys to all areas, I aint been approached. Local Pold dont have the resources to spend the time, you obviously have more faith than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 if any one breaks in your house, and sees a gun cabinet on the wall they think guns, its a dead give away.i could hide guns in my house and no one would find them.same as all of us could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Tabs - what area of Beds are we talking ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleabag Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 It wont be long before the police insist on gun owners installing a communicating alarm system as a minimum requirement, it makes sense if your away, it could even prevent the weapons being used against the owners if you turned up at the wrong time. Don't even bear thinking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattw Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 chaps, there must be some relation here, do all the people go to the same gun club meet for drink in the same pub ? I would bet they are picking up registrations and then following people home. Do you know if it is mostly shotguns or rifles being targeted thus far?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 It wont be long before the police insist on gun owners installing a communicating alarm system as a minimum requirement, it makes sense if your away, it could even prevent the weapons being used against the owners if you turned up at the wrong time. Don't even bear thinking about. why not just ban guns, end of story,buy this buy that what ever next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabs Posted October 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Gary- between Luton- Bedford. Matt, there is no relationship as in gun club etc, no BASC stickers etc. Just shotties as far as I know, some damn fine ones to. I have a variation going in this week it will be intersting to see if anything is mentioned re security. Tabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretman Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) i no how he feels i have had my rapid 7 nicked and i am gutted. Edited October 13, 2008 by ferretman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.LAG Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Surely it would be best if every legitemate gun owner reviewed their own personal home security knowing thieves were delibretly targeting people? If i was aware that guns were being stolen to order-i would atleast try to beef up security. Im thinking a few claymores and a couple of anti tank mines thats should be sufficient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.LAG Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) "why not just ban guns, end of story,buy this buy that what ever next." take that back Edited October 13, 2008 by MR.LAG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Dummy gun cabinet filled with a few rusty old pipes and not too securely fixed to the wall, just enough to make 'em sweat. That should **** 'em off enough to come back another night and you'll be ready for 'em won't you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) I remember having a chat with a local copper about theft of firearms, he basically said that 9 times out of 10, people breaking in who discovered a gun cabinet would avoid it like the plague! It takes things into a whole new league for the filthy rotten ****. I hope the guns are recovered soon thats for sure, would have thought this would be given some serious looking at by the police. Edited October 13, 2008 by Hot-Shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGee Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I've always heard that "professional" burglars won't touch a gun cabinet. Just lets hope all our details have not been downloaded in one of the many security cock-ups over the last year or so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I understand that the police love to have us all keep guns in safes, I have to and so do the vast majority of other FAC/SGC holders, I know there are other meathods, ie chains, home built jobs. But surely there is nothing that says guns like a "gun safe securly rawl bolted to an external wall out of the way of public callers." Maybe under floorboards and back of wardrobes would be a better solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I understand that the police love to have us all keep guns in safes, I have to and so do the vast majority of other FAC/SGC holders, I know there are other meathods, ie chains, home built jobs. But surely there is nothing that says guns like a "gun safe securly rawl bolted to an external wall out of the way of public callers." Maybe under floorboards and back of wardrobes would be a better solution. Thats fair enough Hiding the guns behind a wardrobe or under floor boards but what if you have family wife children. They wont have SGC and they will have access to the guns if you do it that way. Somebody said before leave one part of the gun in the gubinet and the other half hidden somewhere. Df Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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