mark_mjs93 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 well i went out yesterday and brought my first scope for my first gun (a gamo whisper x the scope is an SMK 4X40) and i zeroed it in today at 25 yards well i tried every single way of holding the gun... laying down, sitting, standing, on one knee, resting my elbows on something... well thing is i just couldnt steady it there was a slight shake and sway on it only very slight but looking threw the scope it was amplified, is there anyway of stopping this, i want to go out shooting rabbits and pigeons so to be honest a bench rest isnt the way to go for me because it isnt great for lugging around just to shoot a few, i was thinking of a bipod but im not sure... can you recomend anything??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andovian Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 the best way is to only raise the gun when you are rady to take the shot then put your cross hairs on the target exhale slowly and gently pull the trigger new shooters normally have this problem put once youve put a few hundred shots through the gun it will all come together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 A good bipod will make a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_mjs93 Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 the best way is to only raise the gun when you are rady to take the shot then put your cross hairs on the target exhale slowly and gently pull the trigger new shooters normally have this problem put once youve put a few hundred shots through the gun it will all come together well thing is have tried that method and i only raise my gun when im about to shoot and the cross hairs start on the target but dont stay there lol i exhale and then it gets worse..... and i have already put about 500 shots threw it still no change... i dunno i think i might get a bipod but dunno can anyone recomend one??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Harris bipods seem to be the best. does the gun fit ok are you uncomfortable in the aim and is the scope set at a comfortable position for the correct eye relief? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_mjs93 Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Harris bipods seem to be the best.does the gun fit ok are you uncomfortable in the aim and is the scope set at a comfortable position for the correct eye relief? errrrrrm the gun is comfortable, the scope isnt to far forward or back and is comfortable to see through though i dont understand anything else you said lol errrm well i can aim and i can get it on the target but it sort of sways and sort of moves away from the target and then i have to do it again and take the shot so quickly its like a proper cowboy shot ill look at bipods.... but on question on them.... how do you fit them to the gun??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 if your gun has a sling swivel attachment it will fit to that . practise practise practise its not like in the movies there will always be some movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_mjs93 Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 if your gun has a sling swivel attachment it will fit to that .practise practise practise its not like in the movies there will always be some movement. lol i know it wont be like the movies lol but thing is i dont have a swivel lol ill have to get one put it or... i think i might just put up with it until i get better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmboy Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 (edited) You wouldn't be able to fit most types of bipod to your gamo. The only type I can think of is the 'scissors' type that clamps directly to the barrel. Being a spring gun, I'm not sure how much benefit a bipod would be in any case. I was taught not to rest a springer on a hard surface due to the way they recoil. As others have said practice is the most important thing. Gareth Edited November 4, 2008 by farmboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 You could always try betablockers.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpa Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I always used to take a twist of the sling over my elbow when taking standing shots. No one can look though a scope without a slight wobble, human muscles are not capable of that. What you should be concentrating on is developing that unconcious technique of only allowing the trigger to be pulled when you anticipate where the shot will be going. It does take a while... I'd suggest putting a few thousand down the barrel... and relax... don't try too hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 A trick passed to me by the late great John Darling (of Airgunner fame - I bumped into him at a game fair in the early 90's) was to gently "twist" both hands in towards the rifle as you get ready to fire. It will only work for a second or two but it definately gives you a bit of extra stability, even when shooting stading freehand. HTH ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 You could always try betablockers.................... was thinking along the same lines could it just be the moment catching up with you? are you the same when plinking or zeroing your rifle? i find that i have to change my mental state when i go shooting. as well as being alert, you have to take on a zen-like mindstate. might sounds like a load of poo, but trust me, if you are calm on the inside, it will calm you outsides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 I have an 'essential tremor', a continuous and very mild shake in my hands. Everyone in my in-bred Norfolk family has it. It becomes more noticeable if I'm stressed, tired, hungover or full of caffeine or adrenaline. It can play havoc with long-distance shooting. Like any shakes, it's controlled breathing and the correct stance/posture that makes it manageable. As such all my rifles have bipods fitted for use in the field, and I very rarely shoot freehand unless it's on moving targets or things with large hooves/teeth. If you can't find a bipod for your rifle, use a bag rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deny essex Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 well i went out yesterday and brought my first scope for my first gun (a gamo whisper x the scope is an SMK 4X40) and i zeroed it in today at 25 yards well i tried every single way of holding the gun... laying down, sitting, standing, on one knee, resting my elbows on something... well thing is i just couldnt steady it there was a slight shake and sway on it only very slight but looking threw the scope it was amplified, is there anyway of stopping this, i want to go out shooting rabbits and pigeons so to be honest a bench rest isnt the way to go for me because it isnt great for lugging around just to shoot a few, i was thinking of a bipod but im not sure... can you recomend anything??? When i was rifle shooting i read everthing i could on technique, the one thing that if i rememeber correctly was a John Darling article saying never try to hold rock steady on your target area , as you slowly settle onto your shot zone take the shot as the crosshairs pass over it in other words on the move, with the correct breathing method as mentioned earlier , worked for me and dealt with plenty of bunnies over the years . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 I'll second the above. Sometimes I'm just not relaxed enough so initially aim just above the quarry then slowly lower the crosshairs to the kill zone and fire as I get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto culto Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 the problem you have is that with it being a break barrel its hard to fix a bipod. You best bet would be a single stick that you can use to steady you shot. the stick needs to be taller than you so you can shoot over all terrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 During my training I was taught to hold the scope on the target and breath with the cross hairs moving up and down over the target hold your breath bring the cross down and fire. I believe this is the method used by the athletes in the Nordic events. Be confident!!! You are a good shot!! Pigeon Controller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyRS6 Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Just a quick question that i cant se mentioned that could have a baring on your shots. What Magnification is your scope set at? If it zoomed right in then your gonna have issues. `just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droid Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Good thread this, I have similar problems with steadyness. Thanks for the tips. When the murky weather improves I'll try them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Shaggy, using a high-mag scope doesn't accentuate shakes. It simply highlights the effect of your shakes relative to the target. I don't find using 25x mag more of a problem than 7x mag, proving I have a stable rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reedbradshaw Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 or...this may sound a little stupid to some.. But it sounds as if its you who needs practice. Good marksmanship doesnt come from just 500 shots...it comes from thousands. Get your self to a zeroing range before even thinking of spending near on 70 quid for a bipod or does that idea seem crazy to some ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyRS6 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Shaggy, using a high-mag scope doesn't accentuate shakes. It simply highlights the effect of your shakes relative to the target. I don't find using 25x mag more of a problem than 7x mag, proving I have a stable rest. I disagree, (well in my case anyhoos) I cant shoot a thing with high mag. Anything over say 20. I can head shot a rabbit now at up to 180 with the HMR on 10 x, but as soon as i turn up the zoom i dont get the heeed. May just be physiological, but that's what happens with me, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Shaggy, it might be physiological and (no offence intended) psychological. If I think about shakes, they get worse. Reed's point about practice is spot-on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_mjs93 Posted November 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 (edited) or...this may sound a little stupid to some.. But it sounds as if its you who needs practice. Good marksmanship doesnt come from just 500 shots...it comes from thousands. Get your self to a zeroing range before even thinking of spending near on 70 quid for a bipod :blink: or does that idea seem crazy to some ? i totally agree with you i need practice and i decide id not let it bother me anymore and i just thought would try my best to not think of it and they slowed down at still a bit of trouble but got a good shoot of 13 rabbits and im dead chuffed with that they were a couple of misses and one rabbit just injured but i finished him quickely with another shot were from were i was... a great shoot and just to be a nice lad i gave the land owner 6 of my rabbits he was very nice and said im welcome to shoot there whenever i want (as long as i ring him first :unsure: Edited November 9, 2008 by mark_mjs93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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