Ozzy Fudd Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Never had bother with sticker's in me van even got a BNP sticker mind you the 50 mm cannon on top might put em off a bit :o stag ps i live in islamabrad too :yp: :yp: same with the ulster flag i put up every july at the old house. no one ever tried to take it down. then again, it was flying from the corner of the dog pen where the rottweilers lived :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Never had bother with sticker's in me van even got a BNP sticker mind you the 50 mm cannon on top might put em off a bit :yp: stag ps i live in islamabrad too :yp: :o I doubt whether any of the muslim population of Bradford give a monkeys whether you shoot or not, it's the "educated?" antis or the local ****** you've got to be wary of, if you leave your prize motor plastered with stickers saying "I'M A SHOOTER, THERE'S PROBABLY A GUN INSIDE - PLEASE ROB ME". Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 my membership is about to run out with my currant organisation, and due to things that have happened with them i may not renew. I am also due for renewal of my sgc/fac. i know from a phone call last year to my firearms department that the 243 i want adding is not going to be as easy as it should be. (why is fac procedure so different up and down the country) so i need an organisation that will more than likely have to help me with this and not one that will tell me to do as the firearms department says. i don't shoot pheasants, i don't intend to go deer stalking (the 243 is for deer but will be shot as pests) to be consumed by me and the dogs. i am in no syndicate, not a beater.don't do clays ,black powder or targets. just do my own bit of shooting on a few farms. been a member of 1or 2 of the organisations and running out of options. can any one on here advise me please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 my membership is about to run out with my currant organisation, and due to things that have happened with them i may not renew. I am also due for renewal of my sgc/fac. i know from a phone call last year to my firearms department that the 243 i want adding is not going to be as easy as it should be. (why is fac procedure so different up and down the country) so i need an organisation that will more than likely have to help me with this and not one that will tell me to do as the firearms department says. i don't shoot pheasants, i don't intend to go deer stalking (the 243 is for deer but will be shot as pests) to be consumed by me and the dogs. i am in no syndicate, not a beater.don't do clays ,black powder or targets. just do my own bit of shooting on a few farms. been a member of 1or 2 of the organisations and running out of options. can any one on here advise me please. at the risk of walking into a baited man trap here... may i suggest basc?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazkb Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 (edited) I joined the CA this year as i can pay monthly and got 18 months for the price of 12 same 10 million insurance but for ANY country sport not just shooting. so if i have someones eye out when i'm casting a fly i'm covered for that as well. I wrote to basc telling them why i was leaving and going to the CA after 20 odd years guess what they didn't even reply, now that says it all for me i still think that basc has it's place but i can't afford both and this time the CA had a better deal Edited January 2, 2009 by tazkb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 at the risk of walking into a baited man trap here... may i suggest basc?? tried em .....twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 tried em .....twice. ah right. ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev 1 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 I am with the NGO, £30.00. I hope never to find out if their any good,but was told the cover was as good as BASC. And if i need any good advise i would ask the good people of pigeon watch ,even if some of you have no stickers on your cars or gun cabinets :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staglioni Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Might have a point there cat but most of Bradford cant speak English never mind read it. Stag :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 To get a fair comparison of the various Organisations you could join, you should visit their websites and compare the membership benefits. I was also a member of WAGBI (must be an age-thing) and am a current member of the BASC through apathy and a member of the Countryside Alliance as I think they did more than anyone else to try to stop the hunting with hounds ban. Like Catamong (must be an age-thing), I do not display the BASC badge in my vehicle. I had a Subaru Legacy Estate and a Volvo 960 both keyed badly, including the word "murderer" scratched on the bonnet of the Volvo, which I blame on the badge. Whats this W.A.G.B.I. and age thing Cranfield . My wife recons that i am i very young 65 year old . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) As said before insurance should not be you main motivator for joining an association. Most association polices cover the main country sports disciplines such as shooting, fishing, gundog work conservation, etc. BUT check the policy wording – several of them have a clause in that basically says if you have home insurance, and claim against the association policy, the claim will NOT be met by the association but will be passed to your home insurance! So why pay out in the first place? As to Marks point about having an organization that ‘ does not just tell me to do as the FLO says’ this Mark sometimes is the best advice! It may force the FLO into a decision that can be challenged. Remember that at least one organization employs ex FLO as a member of the staff- so these guys know the licensing system inside out! I accept that sometimes advice that is given is not what the member may want to hear- but is often the best advice. Tazkb, Sorry you did not get a reply to your letter, we have a strict policy in place that all letters etc will be replied to – if you want a reply from me I will gladly give it – but not on this forum as that would be crass- David Edited January 3, 2009 by David BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Its a good job that I didn't promise to show my **** in Burtons window. I can't believe that this thread has not been trashed by now. Could it be that the main protagonist has taken a hint, or is he just off line?webber maybe if you stopped baiting him, he wouldnt reply all the time. I joined BASA, as i am only shooting air. As soon as i get my FAC, i'll be changing to one of the bigger orgs, CA/BASC..ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 BASC , it has to be BASC , they are not perfect , but for my money they are by far the best of the bunch and I gladly pay them my yearly subs for the good work they do on behalf of the shooting community. Mind you just to put a bit of argument into this thread I hate their stickers and pine for the old red and white goose stickers of the past WAGBI. Mind you if its stickers you want the RSBP do a good one hahahhaahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Its a good job that I didn't promise to show my **** in Burtons window. I can't believe that this thread has not been trashed by now. Could it be that the main protagonist has taken a hint, or is he just off line? webber NOOO Webber i am just looking for a better intellectual challenge than you can offer No contest pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy W Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 I joined BASC last year for the first time, money did not come into the equation, I reserached the main stream ones and chose BASC because I have confidence in the association, everyone knows of them, I know help is there if I have a problem, instruction for new shooters by the BASC coaches is first class and they do a lot for shooting in general, I will renew my membership with them again this year, no question about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) For many years I unwillingly stumped up with the exorbitant fees for BASC (yes, I was also in WAGBI before that). I considered that BASC was strictly for the syndicate pheasant shooters, and had no relevance to me as a rough shooter. I paid up as I felt that it was right that I contributed to an organisation that supported shooting as a sport, and at that time it was only BASC. However, when the boys in blue decided to ban the use of moderators on centrefire rifles ('We think it dangerous that the public will not know where the bullets are coming from etc., etc') my payment to BASC was worth every penny. God bless George Wallace and his colleagues. If it was left to me no shooter would be allowed to operate without insurance, just as for driving a car. Plus, in the current political environment it is barmy not to support an association (any association) that promotes and defends the sport that we love. On your own you are meat for any vote-pleasing politician and Chief of Police with his own axe to grind. Don Edited January 3, 2009 by Dead-Eyed Duck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 If it was left to me no shooter would be allowed to operate without insurance, just as for driving a car. Plus, in the current political environment it is barmy not to support an association (any association) that promotes and defends the sport that we love. On your own you are meat for any vote-pleasing politician and Chief of Police with his own axe to grind. Don Well said Don, I wholeheartedly agree. If the figure of 1 Million shooters in Britain is correct, it would seem that around 75% are not members of a shooting organisation, and quite possibly shooting without adequate insurance cover, or contributing towards ensuring that we have something to shoot and a gun to shoot it with. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 I think this is the big issue - all shooters should be a member of one of the orgnaisation. Remember, the larger and more influential ones all sit on the British Shooting Sports Council - so maybe if you are undecided ,despite all the comments on this thread, you should take pot luck with one of these in the first insurance and see how it goes. Being a member of nothing is not an option - and I think we, as shooters and members of organisations, should do all we can to encourage others to join something- indeed most commercial shoots, many land owners, and the forestry commission et al will NOT let you shoot unless you are a member of something. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Whats this W.A.G.B.I. and age thing Cranfield . My wife recons that i am i very young 65 year old . Harnser . WAGBI was the Wildfowling Association of Great Britain and Ireland, which morphed into the BASC. I agree that every shooter should have insurance (I think it should be compulsory) and most are covered by their house insurance. Whether they should all belong to an "Organisation" is a different matter. I fish and am insured whilst practising that pastime, but I am not a member of any "Organisation". I carry out lots of other insured activities, but am not a member of any other "Organisation". Some people feel no need to belong, I don't think that makes them parasites, or terrible people, its just their choice. I have been shooting for over 40 years and have never needed to make an insurance claim, nor contact an "Organisation" for personal assistance. Sure, I appreciate I am lucky (but I bet there are 1000's like me) and my luck could all change tomorrow, but I don't really think it will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiatia Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 [ I agree that every shooter should have insurance (I think it should be compulsory) and most are covered by their house insurance. Whether they should all belong to an "Organisation" is a different matter. I fish and am insured whilst practising that pastime, but I am not a member of any "Organisation". I carry out lots of other insured activities, but am not a member of any other "Organisation". Some people feel no need to belong, I don't think that makes them parasites, or terrible people, its just their choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Lets face facts - 99.9% of shooters will never need to make an insurance claim - so the 'I am covered under my home insurance' is a red herring! It may be your best excuse for not joining anything but to be honest it is that sort of attitude that will let shooting down in the long run. It is the organisations that debate and negotiate with Parliament and the other statutory bodies on all the issues that affect our shooting. If it were not for the organisations for example you would now face a closed season for pigeon shooting! What I think is a shame is that these who freeload gain the same benefits on the freedom to go shooting as those that pay into the organisations- is that fair - no it is not, and I suspect the 200-250,000 people whop cough up their hard earned cash to support their chosen orgnaisation feel the same way too. I bet if the organisations under the British Shooting Sports Council should teamed up with the NFU et el and make sure that only members of said orgnaisations can shoot over farm land, forestry, moor land, woodland, coastal land etc you guys who currenty refuse to pay into the organisations would be up in arms wouldn't you crying 'unfair' to anyone who will listen -but apart for the other freeloaders- no one will be listening! Maybe I will ask for this point to be discussed at the next BSSC meeting..... David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 BASC , it has to be BASC , they are not perfect , but for my money they are by far the best of the bunch and I gladly pay them my yearly subs for the good work they do on behalf of the shooting community. Mind you just to put a bit of argument into this thread I hate their stickers and pine for the old red and white goose stickers of the past WAGBI. Mind you if its stickers you want the RSBP do a good one hahahhaahah Anser 2 . Iam with you on the logo thing .The old wagbi logo was much better .I think it was changed to move away from the wagbi influence towards the basc as it is know . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) Lets face facts - 99.9% of shooters will never need to make an insurance claim - so the 'I am covered under my home insurance' is a red herring! It may be your best excuse for not joining anything but to be honest it is that sort of attitude that will let shooting down in the long run. It is the organisations that debate and negotiate with Parliament and the other statutory bodies on all the issues that affect our shooting. If it were not for the organisations for example you would now face a closed season for pigeon shooting! What I think is a shame is that these who freeload gain the same benefits on the freedom to go shooting as those that pay into the organisations- is that fair - no it is not, and I suspect the 200-250,000 people whop cough up their hard earned cash to support their chosen orgnaisation feel the same way too. I bet if the organisations under the British Shooting Sports Council should teamed up with the NFU et el and make sure that only members of said orgnaisations can shoot over farm land, forestry, moor land, woodland, coastal land etc you guys who currenty refuse to pay into the organisations would be up in arms wouldn't you crying 'unfair' to anyone who will listen -but apart for the other freeloaders- no one will be listening! Maybe I will ask for this point to be discussed at the next BSSC meeting..... David uh oh. im digging a fox hole before this one kicks off.... i can see the thinking behind it, but even an idiot like me can see the problems it will incur - who will supervise it? the police wont want to. and what about people who own their own land? are you saying they have to be a member of an organisation before they can shoot on their own land? hmmm sometimes its better to let sleeping dogs lie. if you think about it, the people who join basc, etc, are the ones who give a damn about shooting, or perhaps that should be "are smart enough to give a damn". by making the rest join (who arent smart enough) youd be giving them a say in things, which isnt always a good idea. does that make sense?! ok put it like this. basc, etc, have a great influence on shooting. their members care bout shooting. but making people who arent smart enough/dont care enough to join in the first place, join, will mean your giving quite alot of idiots a say. and how long will it be til basc stop issuing press statements to us, and start doing new labour style slogans and spin to keep the masses happy?? think that makes sense now edit - ok doesnt make sense, i sound like a snob. basically, the first person to come along to say theyre gonna get full bore semi rifles legalised again, 50% of cartridges and give anyone with a gun the right to shoot anywhere and anytime they choose would be voted into the top jobs, even if itll run shooting into the ground. wait a minute... yes, ITS A GREAT IDEA! VOTE FOR ME FOLKS, ILL HAVE SLR'S BACK IN YOUR CABINETS, AMMO WILL BE CHEAPER THAN THE PETROL IT COST YOU TO DRIVE TO WHEREVER YOU WANT, AND THERELL BE NO MORE CLOSED SEASONS OR "NO SHOOTING" SIGNS!!! now just have to sit back and wait for the election.... B) Edited January 3, 2009 by babbyc1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 I bet if the organisations under the British Shooting Sports Council should teamed up with the NFU et el and make sure that only members of said orgnaisations can shoot over farm land, forestry, moor land, woodland, coastal land etc you guys who currenty refuse to pay into the organisations would be up in arms wouldn't you crying 'unfair' to anyone who will listen -but apart for the other freeloaders- no one will be listening! Maybe I will ask for this point to be discussed at the next BSSC meeting..... David Was that the sound of a dummy leaving a pram again. DavidBASC, making these kind of arrogant threatening statements does you, nor the BASC any favours at all. Better a dignified silence and allow another point of view to be discussed, than this immoderate outburst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) I bet if the organisations under the British Shooting Sports Council should teamed up with the NFU et el and make sure that only members of said orgnaisations can shoot over farm land, forestry, moor land, woodland, coastal land etc you guys who currenty refuse to pay into the organisations would be up in arms wouldn't you crying 'unfair' to anyone who will listen -but apart for the other freeloaders- no one will be listening! Maybe I will ask for this point to be discussed at the next BSSC meeting..... mean while the poor old working joe who can only just afford to go out on sunday which happens to be his day of is now without a shoot . just like deer stalking in scotland is going to be soon, only for the loaded(.pockets not guns) If the figure of 1 Million shooters in Britain is correct, it would seem that around 75% are not members of a shooting organisation i wonder what sort of action this 75% of none insured shooters could drum up if push came to shove. do you think they would join your club david. Edited January 3, 2009 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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