Tam Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Presumably that could constitute the first barrel? If push comes to shove, create a loud bang very closeley followed by throwing hot lead at them Tam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodger Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 BASC has issued advice to its 122,000 members that they will be able to continue to control pests - and in the case of woodpigeons enjoy sporting shooting - as they have done under general licences since their introduction in 1990. Did BASC REALLY say that ? I was under the impression that the ONLY reason for shooting pigeons was as a pest control exercise under the general licence and that "Sporting shooting" was not a good reason for shooting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 BASC have issued a statement :- BASC BASC Chief Executive, John Swift, said; “Those who shoot or use traps to control pests do not themselves have to have tried other methods first. In the unlikely event of an authorised person being challenged by the police he would simply have to state that what he was doing was a contribution to crop protection and cite the extensive literature that demonstrates non-lethal methods to be ineffective and impracticable. He might also add that the Secretary of State for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs states in the opening paragraph of the licence “that there is no other satisfactory solution”. So will BASC pay for a lawyer if some animal rights organisation brings a private prosecution as a test case against a member, and will they allow the member to remain a member if they lose the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 http://www.basc.org.uk/content/new_licences_no_threat_to G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb5037 Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 So will BASC pay for a lawyer if some animal rights organisation brings a private prosecution as a test case against a member, and will they allow the member to remain a member if they lose the case? Very good point. I wonder? Someone will find out, think there is someone here who has a contact with BASC's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Rjimmer makes a few good points. Somewhere I have a copy of a Ministry of Agriculture report on wood pigeon as a agricultural pest. To summarise the report into a one liner is easy. There is only one effective way to control the growing population of woodpigeon, and thats shooting. So should I find myself, or any PW friends for that matter stood in the dock, the report will be dug out, dusted off, and presented as evidence. From memory the report states that various scarers are of no significant effect; we all know that, so why should we conduct a trial run before each bout of shooting. I for one shant be dotting I's and crossing t's with regard to this particular piece of prctically unenforcible piece of euro compliant waffle. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 That sounds like so much ****! How on earth can they enforce that? I know for a fact that there are only stwo cop cars to patrol the whole of the area round near me and they are never going to be able to stop and check every field for someone out after a couple of woodies. ******** to that is all I can say.... Wookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibbz2000 Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Pahh, **** on that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I think you're misunderstanding the wording slightly Dodger. I think you are correct to say that the only reason is for pest control - it's just that they are pointing out that during the course of this pest control, you are bound to enjoy some sporting / challenging shots. Hmm, I'm not convinced I've explained it very well either........... Piebob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I merged the three topics on this - We're Banned and must scare them first and cry your eyes out to tidy it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubs Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Don't tell me i have to lug a gret big gas gun about as well as all my other tackle. What if you just say( if anybody asks) that you blew your car horn when you arrived and the ******* didn't fly off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Please see this topic by BASC: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...?showtopic=8072 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I've found the answer !!!!!!!!!!!!, good old Ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...4360948243&rd=1 Hands orf you lot !!!, I saw it first, will use it to draw the anti's away from the fields where I'm shooting OK so which of you outbid me on the scarer !!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubs Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Please see this topic by BASC: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...?showtopic=80 Think this really explains it cheers teal. I'd like to announce i'm now a proud owner of a pigoen anti scarer thing paid £12.50 for it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Country Boy Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Look guys and gals its all part of the big plan to turn the country(side) into a huge recreational area. The Right to Roam I.D.Cards The Hunting Act Horse Passports The Stewardship Scheme The very latest incentives to farmers to change field status, eg create wildlife habitat areas in preference to growing crops and recieve yet more subsidies thus attracting more wildlife observers (the general public) most of whom will most certainly complain about pigeon shooters in the next field, AS THE WALKERS AND HIKERS ARE ALREADY DOING. WE DON'T MINE COAL WE DON'T MAKE STEEL THE WOOL AND COTTON TRADES HAVE GONE POTATOES ARE GOING WHO NEEDS FARMERS NO FARMERS EQUAL NO CROPS EQUALS NO PIGEONS CLAY SHOOTING GROUNDS ARE NOISEY WHO NEEDS SHOTGUNS - BLOODY HORRIBLE THINGS THEY SHOULD BE BANNED. If you think I'm jesting..................... watch what is about to happen to pheasant shooting. THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL!!!!!! PLEASE DO NOT WASTE YOUR VOTE AT THE NEXT GEN ELECTION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco you missed another one Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 I totally agree with Country Boy, until this political party it's sitting on the presidential chair we all got to lose. Personally I think that what we are experiencing in this moment in time it's just the shadow of a much bigger plan to ban hunting and all affliates. If we all don't take action now we might pay a very expensive bill in the near future. Cheers Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 I totally agree with Country Boy, until this political party it's sitting on the presidential chair we all got to lose.Personally I think that what we are experiencing in this moment in time it's just the shadow of a much bigger plan to ban hunting and all affliates. If we all don't take action now we might pay a very expensive bill in the near future. Cheers Marco What we as country sports enthusiasts lack is cohesion, all the various groups have their own agendas when uniting to fight the anti's would be the way forward. In general the anti's are not large organisations, have you ever considered that our main interest is the enjoyment of our recreation and fighting off the anti's is secondary whereas their main interest is in seeing ALL country sports banned. A sobering thought, the least we can do is try to get rid of that rotter Mr. B.Liar when the opportunity arises shortly. I'm at a loss to comprehend why our so called "government" panders to minority groups and to illegal immigrants who bring nothing of value to the table, those who read the article from the link I recently posted regarding new legislation will be horrified by the implications of "re-categorising" gypsies and travellers. The likes of us as tax payers will yet again be forking out to subsidise low life scum who once ensconced in their new site will come round and empty your shed and garage of all the things you've worked hard to pay for, own shotguns without certificates and run dogs unchallenged by Police. We are on an exponentially steepening slippery slope !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffs-Shooter Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Big spread in Shooting Times this week (Country Man) reference using your vote wisley. My old grandad always used to say "politics & religion should not be discussed in public!" - mind you in his day the countryside wasnt managed by the City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 In general the anti's are not large organisations and thereby lies the problem!! This country is now run by people who are so politically correct they are avidly fighting themselves to be the next "champion" of a minority opinion, and the judiciary will support them to the hilt, notice the absolute disgrace to allow the young muslim the right to wear whatever suits her albeit she HAD signed to say she would accept the schools uniform policy before joining the school? and turned down the oppertunity to attend a muslim school that allowed the wearing of "cultural" attire, getting rid of blair will make no difference, only a radical change in political culture and a realisation(probably to late) that OUR country is being taken from us willy nilly will maybe save the day? cheers keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffs-Shooter Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Strong words Keith! however to the point. Its too late after the event to blame whatever goverment for the loss of our right to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Fish Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 (edited) I wanted to post my opinion, but i am sure that its far too policticly incorrect for this forum Edited March 4, 2005 by The Big Fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 notice the absolute disgrace to allow the young muslim the right to wear whatever suits her albeit she HAD signed to say she would accept the schools uniform policy before joining the school? and turned down the oppertunity to attend a muslim school that allowed the wearing of "cultural" attire Not to mention that she is now seeking legal aid to sue for compensation which I wouldn't mind betting she will get !!! Going back to a comment I made recently: what about the barbaric way in which some ethnic/religious minority groups are allowed to kill animals to eat !!!. If you or I did it we'd be locked up. It is just another example of double standards, if they don't like it I'm afraid they can sod off to a backwards country where it is traditional to kill animals in a cruel fashion for my money. Now there is political incorrectness for you, it's about time we stood up on our hind legs and started shouting the odds I reckon. Easy to see how fascism can start in a country ain't it. :< :< :< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffs-Shooter Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 [ Easy to see how fascism can start in a country ain't it. :< :< :< Ah but only if Mr BLiar wanted it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 [ Easy to see how fascism can start in a country ain't it. :< :< :< Ah but only if Mr BLiar wanted it! If he carries on much longer as he is I don't reckon he'll have much say in what goes on (wouldn't that be GREAT !!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fert Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 i wonder what them d**ks will try and ban next. straight after the fox ban aswell. i bet they think there on a role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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