discreet hunter Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Hi , What are the rules on air gun shooting permission , must i informed the local police where my shooting permission are, to have it register just in case some nosey curtain twittcher ring the police saying there is a man with a gun on next door Neighbour land shooting the poor bunnies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtreedave Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 no need to register land with sub 12ftlb air rifles.in some instances it can be an advantage if residents are constantly phoning the police while lamping to let them know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet hunter Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Hi, Thanks thats what i thought, but my shooting mate thinks otherewise guess he is a bit paranoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcountryman Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Hi , What are the rules on air gun shooting permission , must i informed the local police where my shooting permission are, to have it register just in case some nosey curtain twittcher ring the police saying there is a man with a gun on next door Neighbour land shooting the poor bunnies You don't have to do anything, but depending on where you shoot/neighbours/walkers etc, it can be a good idea to contact the local plod, especially if you are lamping in an area that has a lot of poachers. That said, from what I have been told, most police forces will send a car out to any reported "fire arms" incidents anyway..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer rabbit (r1000) Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 :yp: all i do is hand over a copy of my permission to police central & inform them & the landowner / user when i'm going on site, this may save the police an unneccessary trip in the event of any reports as they can phone me & check my status, they can also phone the landuser for the same... all goes in my favour as i can also inform them of any tresspassers & get faster response... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 On occasions I do ring the plod. They give me a reference number. If the public do call the police they are obliged to answer the call regardless of whether you ring or not. However quoting the reference number would help smooth things over. I have no experience of the police being called however so I cannot swear on it, it is just my understanding of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adymorris Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Depends on the force in question - we had 4 pulls in 4 weeks and all got different reactions 2 of them were hello mate how are you etc etc as we knew them the other 2 times their faces were a picture when we started pulling .223's, rimfires and shotguns out the boot did a full check but we had the permission slips & licences on us so all was well, they will get to know you if it happens a few times so if they are getting called out on a regular basis they may ask you to call. I have to admit I don't like doing it as it's one step closer to asking police permission each time you go out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet hunter Posted June 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 (edited) at moment it is not a requirment, i have decided not to inform them as one member puts it we are asking plod for permission, will take my permission just in case we are stop Edited June 2, 2009 by shootfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peek-at Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I AM BOTH A POLICE OFFICER AND A KEEN SHOOTIST. IF THE PUBLIC REPORT A FIREARMS INCIDENT (IE YOU & YOUR MATE) CHANCES ARE THAT YOU WILL HAVE A VISIT AND BE VERY CLOSELY CHECKED OUT, AND MAYBE HAVE YOUR WEAPONS SEIZED FOR CHECKS TO BE MADE. ITS BEST ALL ROUND IF YOU HAVE PERMISSION, TO HAVE A WRITTEN COPY HANDY (JUST IN CASE) AND ALWAYS TO PHONE THE POLICE GIVING YOUR DETAILS LOCATION OF SHOOT & DURATION WEAPONS USED VEHICLES USED THAT WAY IF JOE PUBLIC RINGS IN.... THE POLICE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IT AND LEAVE YOU ALONE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adymorris Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I AM BOTH A POLICE OFFICER AND A KEEN SHOOTIST.IF THE PUBLIC REPORT A FIREARMS INCIDENT (IE YOU & YOUR MATE) CHANCES ARE THAT YOU WILL HAVE A VISIT AND BE VERY CLOSELY CHECKED OUT, AND MAYBE HAVE YOUR WEAPONS SEIZED FOR CHECKS TO BE MADE. ITS BEST ALL ROUND IF YOU HAVE PERMISSION, TO HAVE A WRITTEN COPY HANDY (JUST IN CASE) AND ALWAYS TO PHONE THE POLICE GIVING YOUR DETAILS LOCATION OF SHOOT & DURATION WEAPONS USED VEHICLES USED THAT WAY IF JOE PUBLIC RINGS IN.... THE POLICE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IT AND LEAVE YOU ALONE It is a difficult one and I can see both sides of the argument but I have been told by a number of serving officers from different forces (one of which is a very good friend) that even if you do call in and give the details listed above, "Joe public" will not always have the same info to pass on, possibly only the ability to reports people with guns or lights in the field over the road etc etc - In all cases I was told the Police will more than likely respond, so it sort of negates the phone call you have just made giving all your details. Me & my shooting buddy have a few permissions that side onto roads and have been pulled 3 times in as many weeks - each time we had paperwork offered the rifles for inspection and in all cases ended withy a smile & a wave goodbye - To be honest I'd rather the Police were around as it can stop idiots taking pot shots with .17's from the main road as happened to us when we was standing in a field 300 yards from the main road one night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I AM BOTH A POLICE OFFICER AND A KEEN SHOOTIST. IF THE PUBLIC REPORT A FIREARMS INCIDENT (IE YOU & YOUR MATE) CHANCES ARE THAT YOU WILL HAVE A VISIT AND BE VERY CLOSELY CHECKED OUT, AND MAYBE HAVE YOUR WEAPONS SEIZED FOR CHECKS TO BE MADE. ITS BEST ALL ROUND IF YOU HAVE PERMISSION, TO HAVE A WRITTEN COPY HANDY (JUST IN CASE) AND ALWAYS TO PHONE THE POLICE GIVING YOUR DETAILS LOCATION OF SHOOT & DURATION WEAPONS USED VEHICLES USED THAT WAY IF JOE PUBLIC RINGS IN.... THE POLICE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IT AND LEAVE YOU ALONE AND MAYBE HAVE YOUR WEAPONS SEIZED FOR CHECKS TO BE MADE. on what grounds would the old bill try and do this please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 What?-ring the old bill and tell them that you are doing something legal in a place where you have permission to do it with a tool that they have demanded to know ,and have, every detail of?-no way.If they decide to seize my gun i will expect a full written apology and a reason for them having done so in the first place-innocent until proven e.t.c. surely?Im afraid i have no desire to assist the police in my area after having suffered for years at their inability to catch any criminals that arent speeding-rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez325 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I AM BOTH A POLICE OFFICER AND A KEEN SHOOTIST.IF THE PUBLIC REPORT A FIREARMS INCIDENT (IE YOU & YOUR MATE) CHANCES ARE THAT YOU WILL HAVE A VISIT AND BE VERY CLOSELY CHECKED OUT, AND MAYBE HAVE YOUR WEAPONS SEIZED FOR CHECKS TO BE MADE. ITS BEST ALL ROUND IF YOU HAVE PERMISSION, TO HAVE A WRITTEN COPY HANDY (JUST IN CASE) AND ALWAYS TO PHONE THE POLICE GIVING YOUR DETAILS LOCATION OF SHOOT & DURATION WEAPONS USED VEHICLES USED THAT WAY IF JOE PUBLIC RINGS IN.... THE POLICE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IT AND LEAVE YOU ALONE The Police have no rights under law to seize FIREARMS if relevant documentaion( FAC - shoot permission etc) was present and correct- So long as no member of public felt threatened or intimidated by the actions of a shooter- we do not live in Communist Russia :angry Les Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 The Police have no rights under law to seize FIREARMS if relevant documentaion( FAC - shoot permission etc) was present and correct- So long as no member of public felt threatened or intimidated by the actions of a shooter- we do not live in Communist Russia :angry Les Les the problem being, it's those very people who call the police who feel threatened or intimidated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I fell threatened and intimidated that he had left the caps lock on and therefore gave the impression he was shouting his opinion! It is probably like most FAC related topics that the police cover, they don't have a clue, make it up as they go along and state it as National policy. Every force seems to have a different interpretation of every rule. That is why I belong to BASC, they know the FACTS and will take care of you when the Keystone cops come bumbling along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 you can't blame the police, it's the numpties who call them to report a man with a gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 you can't blame the police, it's the numpties who call them to report a man with a gun Fair point. But what happens when the police do turn up and know very little if anything regarding guns and the law. Once had an arv bobby who wanted to take my shotgun of me despite being on land with permission, and having the land owner stood at my side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 It is a complete joke that these Police officers do not have a clue. Surely common sense must prevail, even a quick check on the internet will sort out a LOT of problems. What about BASC producing a pamphlet that you can show the clueless muppets? Would the BASC code of practice be any good as an an explanation to P.C. Clueless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) Basc do a leaflet which they give to the police basically trying to educate them on what they may find in the countryside. clicky Edited June 18, 2009 by Gully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 No wonder they have problems, it is not written in crayon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) No wonder they have problems, it is not written in crayon. :lol: just wondering, when stopped by the police has anyone ever had the guts to laugh at the cops and say "ha ha mines bigger than yours!" (meaning shotgun vs handgun, get your mind out of the gutter) i havnt had the chance, but then again the police over here seem to have lost their ability to spot a shotgun lying on the back seat of a car whilst theyre talking to the driver Edited June 19, 2009 by babbyc1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peek-at Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Wow... I stirred up some blood there did i not.... Let me clarify a few points raised unfortunately those who call the police any time they see 'a man with a gun' rarely seem to take the time to assess whether they may have permission or if they are being responsible. they more than likely will not have any knowledge of firearms and will instinctively call the police. 9 times in 10 (or more) the police establish that everything is 'hunky dorey' and that is that, but once that call is made, the police are duty bound to check it out. ( nickbeardo is spot on ) if you are a CERTIFICATE HOLDER for your weapon and can show relevant documents, the police will have no reason to seize your firearm if you are using it within the law and are abiding by any restrictions imposed by your licence. You will indeed be left with a smile and a wave ! ( les325 is also right in what he says ) if you are NOT a FAC holder and have no other paperwork with you showing that you have permission to be where you are shooting, the police officer will be assessing 1) the weapon ie could it be FAC power and unlicensed 2) any other offences committed ie tresspass with a firearm etc etc etc etc..... The police DO have a power under law to seize any item which is suspected to be used in an offence. (police and criminal evidence act 1984) Please remember that although we as responsible firearms users are heavily legislated against, the very fact that we are abiding by the law and can show relevant documentation to prove it, keeps the police on our side. We all want to see the idiots who dont stick to the rules caught and punished, because they spoil it for the rest of us. As for letting the police know where you are operating.... this is a matter for you If, like snakebite, you would rather not be checked out by the plod, and think a phone call would prevent it.... givem a ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2202 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 hypathetically speaking here. So a call is made, boys in blue arrive, i am shooting on land with permission but do not have my licence with me. They should surely be able to check on radio that i am who i say i am and have relevent licences. however ask for my gun untill i attend the station and show them it. Should you hand over your gun if the said copper could not show me his sgc or fac? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 (edited) hypathetically speaking here. So a call is made, boys in blue arrive, i am shooting on land with permission but do not have my licence with me. They should surely be able to check on radio that i am who i say i am and have relevent licences. however ask for my gun untill i attend the station and show them it. Should you hand over your gun if the said copper could not show me his sgc or fac? they dont need em. Edited June 21, 2009 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 as i under stand if a copper asks for your gun you must hand it over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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