Bagsy Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 When my FEO did my first visit he had a copy of my police record with him. Even down to parking tickets, in the time when parking tickets weren't issued by money grabbing council officials. That's disgraceful. To think I've been shooting with someone who, unbeknown to me, has a 'record'. Gonna have to disclose this now as they're bound to have concerns about this association They used to call him Mad Jack "The Hat" McCavie. The scourge of the East End. Just gets worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 It was nothing serious, 3 counts of brutal axe murder along with a couple of riding a bike on the footpath without lights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 It was nothing serious, 3 counts of brutal axe murder along with a couple of riding a bike on the footpath without lights :o I'm not sure I should be staying at your gaff tomorrow night if you have cycling form . There's no bladdy streetlights in Mersea and you don't put lights on your bike either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 The omission was picked up at the point of application, when the police were doing their normal checks D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Thanks David, that makes sense. Sounds like the offence is 'suppling false information to obtain', basically a fraud charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liamlumsden Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 i have heard of this happening b4 a m8 of ma brother did the same thing and he was very close to going down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warm Barrels Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 I do NOT want to be a party pooper ..But would it be better to say that anyone with a conviction other than TRAFFIC LAW OFFENCES should be barred regardless of spent convictions from obtaining SGC, FAC,? And when ANY offence is committed the name ID etc of that person barred from entry on the register of holders. That way we keep a clean holders register. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhorse Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 (edited) I do NOT want to be a party pooper ..But would it be better to say that anyone with a conviction other than TRAFFIC LAW OFFENCES should be barred regardless of spent convictions from obtaining SGC, FAC,? And when ANY offence is committed the name ID etc of that person barred from entry on the register of holders. That way we keep a clean holders register. So black is black and white is white, what a very poor view of life you have, what a very poor attitude to adopt. Edited April 19, 2009 by ironhorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 yes people can change over the years,and not be stop from having a go that they can enjoy,and that would keep them from getting in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 I do NOT want to be a party pooper (but I'm going to be anyway because I just can't resist playing devils advocate and kicking up a **** storm) ..But would it be better to say that anyone with a conviction other than TRAFFIC LAW OFFENCES should be barred regardless of spent convictions from obtaining SGC, FAC,? And when ANY offence is committed the name ID etc of that person barred from entry on the register of holders. That way we keep a clean holders register. A shooting nimby if ever I saw one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 How accurate do the Police expect you to be with dates? Surely you can just put the year down, at least they'll see that you put it down on the form and not hiding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 How accurate do the Police expect you to be with dates? Surely you can just put the year down, at least they'll see that you put it down on the form and not hiding it. If it's not the same policing area and years ago, then it's unlikely they'll be able to check anyway but the purpose of you declaring offences is as much an honesty check as it is a check on offences. Approximate year worked for me. How the hell can you reliably remember something that happened in the early '70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warm Barrels Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Sounds like there are quite a lot of LICENSE HOLDERS out there WITH CONVICTIONS other than motoring some still as we say are ..NOT old and "SPENT". Perhaps each counties police force interprets them differently, and thats why we need a uniform national license issue center with one standard criteria .... NO CONVICTIONS ..Some Cheif Constables are hard and some soft when it comes to issue. I heard it was comming soon as incidents with firearms are becoming all too regular...CAUSED by mainly by NONE license holders admitted. But Surely in order to keep the "sport of shooting" clean it has to be done.Air weapons... well how about a license for them..will raise a few million for the Govt why should they not pay? surely they can pay a few pounds a year it may keep them out of the unscrupulous hands ..I would suggest however that those who alredy have license keep their entitlement to it AND ALL New aplications should HAVE NO CONVICTIONS as stated spent or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 also quite a lot of very clean high class gents who turn there guns on family and pets . ? how clean can you get ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markb Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Sounds like there are quite a lot of LICENSE HOLDERS out there WITH CONVICTIONS other than motoring some still as we say are ..NOT old and "SPENT". Perhaps each counties police force interprets them differently, and thats why we need a uniform national license issue center with one standard criteria .... NO CONVICTIONS ..Some Cheif Constables are hard and some soft when it comes to issue. I heard it was comming soon as incidents with firearms are becoming all too regular...CAUSED by mainly by NONE license holders admitted. But Surely in order to keep the "sport of shooting" clean it has to be done.Air weapons... well how about a license for them..will raise a few million for the Govt why should they not pay? surely they can pay a few pounds a year it may keep them out of the unscrupulous hands ..I would suggest however that those who alredy have license keep their entitlement to it AND ALL New aplications should HAVE NO CONVICTIONS as stated spent or otherwise. Unfortunatly the cost of fac & sgc etc does not keep guns out of the hands of idiots so why would it make any difference with air rifles, there is a thriving black market in guns and it's us that has to keep on paying through the nose for these scum bags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle eyes Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Sounds like there are quite a lot of LICENSE HOLDERS out there WITH CONVICTIONS other than motoring some still as we say are ..NOT old and "SPENT". Perhaps each counties police force interprets them differently, and thats why we need a uniform national license issue center with one standard criteria .... NO CONVICTIONS ..Some Cheif Constables are hard and some soft when it comes to issue. I heard it was comming soon as incidents with firearms are becoming all too regular...CAUSED by mainly by NONE license holders admitted. But Surely in order to keep the "sport of shooting" clean it has to be done.Air weapons... well how about a license for them..will raise a few million for the Govt why should they not pay? surely they can pay a few pounds a year it may keep them out of the unscrupulous hands ..I would suggest however that those who alredy have license keep their entitlement to it AND ALL New aplications should HAVE NO CONVICTIONS as stated spent or otherwise. When i was sixteen i was arrested for drunk and disorderly, Now 19 years on i'm virtually T total only drinking on special ocasions around three times a year at most fourteen pints in all. In you world i would be condemned for life for some silly actions that took place as i was growing up. THANK GOD society and the police do not share your same views. I'm sure if you look at yourself you will have done some things in life you will regret. (one of the unworthy one's) Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 well put . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) Warm Barrels - I have little time for serial offenders, but you have to keep a sense of proportion. In your case, perhaps you need to obtain one. Using your rather quaint logic, anyone who had a driving conviction should not be allowed to drive. There are far more people killed by persons driving cars than by persons with guns. If someone has done wrong (clearly nothing drastic), but turned their life around, why would you deny them? If they wanted to harm people, they could just buy a gun on the black market, buy a knife, buy a car, buy a hammer. buy an axe. Now you come to think of it - why don't we ban all these things? Incidentally, if you are a shooter, I will have to start practising my soot juggling and sawdust plaiting. Edited April 22, 2009 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Sounds like there are quite a lot of LICENSE HOLDERS out there WITH CONVICTIONS other than motoring some still as we say are ..NOT old and "SPENT". Perhaps each counties police force interprets them differently, and thats why we need a uniform national license issue center with one standard criteria .... NO CONVICTIONS ..Some Cheif Constables are hard and some soft when it comes to issue. I heard it was comming soon as incidents with firearms are becoming all too regular...CAUSED by mainly by NONE license holders admitted. But Surely in order to keep the "sport of shooting" clean it has to be done.Air weapons... well how about a license for them..will raise a few million for the Govt why should they not pay? surely they can pay a few pounds a year it may keep them out of the unscrupulous hands ..I would suggest however that those who alredy have license keep their entitlement to it AND ALL New aplications should HAVE NO CONVICTIONS as stated spent or otherwise. This has just won the trophy for being the biggest load of **** e ever posted. Personally there is nothing wrong with the way it is at the moment, you on the other hand want to make shooting elitist. There cannot be that many people who have never done anything wrong. I don't just mean convicted in a court of law either. You have never driven too fast or parked in the wrong place? you obviously have because you exclude motoring convictions which means you have some. I was bound over to keep the peace 21 years ago so that obviously means I am completely unfit to hold any kind of firearm doesn't it? If I wanted to rob a bank or shoot someone do you honestly think I would go to all the bother of getting a licenced gun? Surely to keep the "sport of shooting" clean we need fewer people as single minded or bigotted as you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 This has just won the trophy for being the biggest load of **** e ever posted. Personally there is nothing wrong with the way it is at the moment, you on the other hand want to make shooting elitist. There cannot be that many people who have never done anything wrong. I don't just mean convicted in a court of law either. You have never driven too fast or parked in the wrong place? you obviously have because you exclude motoring convictions which means you have some. I was bound over to keep the peace 21 years ago so that obviously means I am completely unfit to hold any kind of firearm doesn't it? If I wanted to rob a bank or shoot someone do you honestly think I would go to all the bother of getting a licenced gun? Surely to keep the "sport of shooting" clean we need fewer people as single minded or bigotted as you are. How many reports do you see of a Licensed gun holder hold up a bank? Just cause somebody has a conviction doesn't mean there unfit to hold a license especially when the conviction was like 21 years ago. Im with MC your speaking out of your *****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIRARMSTX200 Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 hi all iv.e read all the posts on this subject and some very valid points raised to you all should also know that with certain convictions you can apply to the police to become one of them. now look at links below. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/ma...riminal-records http://www.journal-online.co.uk/article/56...riminal-records below is the link anyone can use for checking on ourselves. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index...10063624AATV6aG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 I think the guns should be taken away from the peasants and the convicts and their licences shredded, This would then mean more land for the rest of us law abiding well behaved normal people who are squeeky clean. But seriously, the firearms officers that visit you are good at their jobs else they wouldn`t be doing what they are doing, the managers that sign your licences off are also very good at their jobs, these people are acting on behalf of your chief constables so if they made a mistake in judgement and gave a firearms/shotgun to the wrong person would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what would happen to them? There has to be a certain ammount of moderation in matters like this and criminal records etc are taken very seriously, i have the utmost confidence in my FEO and his judgement, the same goes for his manager. For those that object to people with criminal records having licences i suggest you apply under the freedom of information act to find out how many people are turned down for licences, you will see there are very few that are granted and those that are get checked very very well, trut me on this. However i still don`t like the idea of peasants with guns, or foreigners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildgoose1uk Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) Well Said old chap!! Hear Hear!! Edited April 22, 2009 by wildgoose1uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 I have a police record will it effect my renewal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markb Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 No! but it should!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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