ferreter Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Hi all was just wondering if any one uses a pump gun for pigeons,I normally shoot with a side by side but been offerd a pump for nowt thinking of giving it a wee bash,,stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 They're good fun, that's about it! My mate has a Benelli SuperNova and it's good craic for clays but if I was doing serious shooting I wouldn't bother... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I would, they look so much fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryantidgwell Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 i have used my pump for pigeons , barley no your using it after a while to be honest dont jam either with any carts what is a bonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 As I've said loads of times I use my pumps for all types of shooting, pigeon, clay, whatever, no problem I would certainly recommend one, particularly over a cheap semi-auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 i love useing my pump action,its nice when you hit 3 down, and it never jams they will throw out what you put in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron airgunner Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 i will probably be getting a mossberg 500 (a cheap pump gun) for my first shotty but i am still making my mind up on wether to get a o/u or sxs instead. i dont know anything about shotguns i just though having 3 shots would be an advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I would certainly recommend one, particularly over a cheap semi-auto. I certainly agree with that statement, if your budget is limited then a pump is a good option, I find the people who are quick to dismiss them have never really taken the time to get totaly familiar with pumping the gun properly, once it becomes second nature to pump you can be just as fast with the follow up shot as an o/u or sxs user. this country still has a lot of gun snobery which you dont find in other countries in europe or the USA from my experiance, but hopefully that will change in time. N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 i have half doz shotguns in the cabinet , which do i go for every time ------- my mossberg 500A pump , just love the gun , clays , pigeon or fox its like a good friend ie. wont let you down and can shoot it just as good as the SxS and o/u if i,m going on a formal shoot though i,m afraid i,ll chicken out and take the SxS every one should give a pump ago you,ll either love em or hate em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I certainly agree with that statement, if your budget is limited then a pump is a good option, I find the people who are quick to dismiss them have never really taken the time to get totaly familiar with pumping the gun properly, once it becomes second nature to pump you can be just as fast with the follow up shot as an o/u or sxs user. this country still has a lot of gun snobery which you dont find in other countries in europe or the USA from my experiance, but hopefully that will change in time. N Damn right. I speak to people on this subject sometimes and they seem to think you have to take the gun out of your shoulder to reload ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Damn right. I speak to people on this subject sometimes and they seem to think you have to take the gun out of your shoulder to reload ... Hi Mark That just proves how little some people know about pumps, they dismiss them on image grounds alone & never get very practiced at the skills required to run a pump properly. I also reload shells with the gun in my shoulder using my weak hand four at a time, it takes a little practice but once learned you can shoot & reload faster than an automatic trap can launch the clays. N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Not so long ago I took my Wingmaster to Horne CPC, and had 6 or 7 old school clay types watching as I took the gun out of the slip, I could almost feel the tutting from behind me Straighted the stand though, and they was alright after that in fairness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 "this country still has a lot of gun snobery which you dont find in other countries in europe or the USA from my experiance, but hopefully that will change in time." Yeah I totally agree with your statement. "Not so long ago I took my Wingmaster to Horne CPC, and had 6 or 7 old school clay types watching as I took the gun out of the slip, I could almost feel the tutting from behind me smile.gif" Yeah the comment I got was: why didn't you bring a proper gun? I was like: I bring what I want. After I got a few clays and they missed their targets with their precious Berettas, then they shutup. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 i only use pumps now, i have a mossberg 500a and a "newhaven" mossberg 600at. mine get used for everything - clays and rough shooting, even considering buying a 3rd one and leaving it with the gf's family in Latvia to take hunting there. if you want a gun that holds 3+ cartridges, is virtually indestructible, will operate in the worst conditions, wont break the bank (as a lot of people here seem to forget theres a recession at the minute), and, one of the most important, is FUN to use, then get a pump action B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Yeah the comment I got was: why didn't you bring a proper gun? I was like: I bring what I want. After I got a few clays and they missed their targets with their precious Berettas, then they shutup. And "I was like:" In your dreams buddy B) I like pumps too, but I don't know why we always have to have this Fantasy Island "I shot better that the England Sporting Clay Team" nonsense. It's just worn out and not true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danccooke Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) I've only used one once at a 'have a go' stand for practical shotgun shooting. I enjoyed it but like a twit pulled the trigger then took a second working out why it wouldn't fire again. Absolute idiot. I'd dry cranked it a few times and been told "don't worry you'll not break it" and then when it counted, being timed I was a *****. I wouldn't be adverse to owning one. Just don't currently. Edited August 24, 2009 by danccooke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 If you can shoot a pump well, they are tough to beat for reliability and toughness. The mossbeg 500 or rem 870 are the standard issue shotguns for a lot of the US. They are cheap, you can get them anywhere, and they work when you need them. The Nova is the upscale version of the same that will take 3 1/2" shells. However, I don't get on well with one. I learned on a short side by side Ithaca and then moved into semi's. As a result, I tend to grab my front hand very close to the receiver. I have relatively short arms also. So all of the pump guns I've shouldered have the slide too far forward to be comfortable for me to shoot. Then since my arm is so stretched it makes the pumping motion a lot tougher. I used an ithaca mod 37 16 ga for a while and even shot my first turkey with it. I shot it okay because it was very light and slender. I still didn't get on as well as my semi's though. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) For sheer toughness and reliability, they're the best shotguns out there. For making shooting fun, they're the best shotguns out there. They're OK on the clays, I can shoot mine quite well, I get reasonable scores, even on simo pairs. I have got much quicker at cycling it than I used to be. To pretend it's a competition winner at clays is plain silly. I would have thought that it would be a fantastic pigeon gun, but then again, I don't pretend to be an expert at pigeon shooting. If I had it with me when I went out on the woodies with Magman, I think I'd have done OK. This snobbery stuff is over-dramatised. It's people being over-sensitive and girly. If someone said "get a proper gun" I'd laugh it off. If they wanted to make an issue of it, I wouldn't get all sensitive and cry, I would teach them a whole raft of new language. It's never been necessary. If you're on the defensive and lack self-confidence, then every giggle and comment are going to throw you into some kind of hysteria. 99% of these comments are said in jest, but over-sensitive people can't see that, they get all offended B) If the comments aren't said in jest, then you've probably deliberately gone to the wrong clay ground, just to be radical and obnoxious. No sympathy. I have no qualms about shooting clays with a pump, but I wouldn't go to Churchills or Hodnet with it. I respect traditions and if it's not the thing to do, I don't do it. Edited August 24, 2009 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I love shooting mine at the end a a days clays - normally go back to a couple of the stands and practice pumping on some easy pairs. I have not been brave enough to take it on a full round yet but I am getting there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) To pretend it's a competition winner at clays is plain silly. I dont see where anyone has said that Chard B) You're always looking for things that arn't there! I don't actually understand the post after my last post, it seems to be quoting something I've said then adding a bit of it's own into my words A typing error I expect. What I can tell you is I've shot 70+ at Horne with my Remington, some weeks I've done better with my semi-auto, and some weeks I've done worse. No-one on this thread has said anything else. Edited August 24, 2009 by throdgrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I dont see where anyone has said that Chard You're always looking for things that arn't there! I don't actually understand the post after my last post, it seems to be quoting something I've said then adding a bit of it's own into my words A typing error I expect. What I can tell you is I've shot 70+ at Horne with my Remington, some weeks I've sone better with my semi-auto, and some weeks I've done worse. No-one on this thread has said anything else. This thread is history repeating itself over and over and over. The implication is always there that clay shooters with over/unders and skeet vests can't shoot as well as the the camo boys - this is tiresome worn-out BS. It's not me that sees things that aren't there. It's all these jesters who imagine they're being got at, just because somebody jokes about "gooks in the wire" at a clay ground. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danccooke Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 The problem is people see someone new with a nice a gun and vest and still learning and missing, I see it when fishing people who have gone out bought all the gear and are then learning with it. There are those will all the gear and never miss, the same with fishing the guys with the zziplex casting 200yrd every cast and everytime hitting the same spot. BUT the thing people remember are the ones with all the gear and no idea (memories of another thread this morning) When it comes to it, at clays I am actually quite pants, but not as pants as some of the people I have seen £000000's of gear. Clearly there are those with all that gear that shoot the hell out of me and probably would in the field too. we all know the one that will stick in the mind the most is the one that made you feel good about yourself. Ever been to a bowling alley and see the guy with his own ball missing the pins, you remember that more that the guy who hits strike after strike. But I have digressed now too. Still would like a pump just for the fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I agree, there are those out there that have worked hard, have a bit of money and have bought themselves some expensive gear to learn with. Good luck to them, I'm not an envious person. In my experience, however, these are not people who are likely to take the **** out of anybody for using a pump. They tend to get on with it, quietly missing everything and probably enduring masses of scathing remarks and put downs from the pump/camo/Baikal/Escort/cloth cap/ex-SAS fantasist/***** oiks who resent them having an expensive gun. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danccooke Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) I envy but in a positive way, never knock what others have but admire. I still want a nice Beretta, an Aston Martin, wouldn't object to a big fishing boat rather than my little dinghy. Everyone appears to snipe at everyone, except where i practice, the other day whilst shooting an onlooker thought my wife was struggling with my Escort and brought over a VERY nice Beretta and offered it her to try. Couldn't have been nicer (I was a little envious it did look nice) Wifey hit four with the escort that round and four with the Beretta. A personal best for her. As we got in the car she made me chuckle. "goes to show if you can't hit **** it doesn't matter if it is expensive or not" But we are now way from the original subject Edited August 24, 2009 by danccooke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Chard just about every thread is a regurgitation of what's been said before, thats a fact. But you can't go adding bits from old threads into new ones or the whole thing is just going to become unworkable B) Even now with your last post you're doing it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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