Whats the difference between chokes

[Cosd]

Is there a difference?

 

For example, does a 1/4" flush throw a different pattern to a 1/4" extended?

 

What's "Teague"? is this a type or make of choke.

[garyb]

Teague is a make - google Nigel Teague

 

No idea on the rest - and... I don't care - Best thing I ever did was buy a fixed choke gun.

 

Remember choke gives you inches, but you miss in feet.

[Ninj]

Apart from any manufacturing tolerance (very little), there will be no difference between a flush and extended choke.

[Catamong]

Apart from any manufacturing tolerance (very little), there will be no difference between a flush and extended choke.

 

So how come Messrs Teague, Briley, Rhino etc sell many thousands of extended chokes to "mugs?" every year..??

 

How have you come to that conclusion, that there will be "no difference"..??

 

Cat.

[Ninj]

Because you can fit and remove them with your fingers, the choke is readily visible and they look gucci.

 

Some may argue that they, being longer, will more progressively constrict the pattern as it leaves the gun.

 

Who said anything about quote, unquote mugs? I use them in preference to flush but have patterned them back to back with zero difference.

 

edit: some may also tell you that they are safer for use with steel shot as any perceived damage would occur within the longer more forgiving constriction

Edited January 2, 2009 by Ninj

[Catamong]

Because you can fit and remove them with your fingers, the choke is readily visible and they look gucci.

 

Some may argue that they, being longer, will more progressively constrict the pattern as it leaves the gun.

 

Who said anything about quote, unquote mugs? I use them in preference to flush but have patterned them back to back with zero difference.

 

 

But...hold on....you now say you use them but you said earlier there was "no difference"..??

 

Why pay for something that has no benefit..??

 

Cat.

[Ninj]

wo wo, Im not contradicting myself - the original question was referring to the pattern thrown. In my experience (and everyone else Ive ever asked), I found no difference at all by swapping flush to extended. Perhaps if you changed from a poorly manufactured standard tube to an aftermarket Teague, you may see an improvement, but Beretta Mobil - Briley and Browning Invector Plus - Teague (for instance) there was nothing in it.

 

I bought them for the above reasons, oh and that if you ding your muzzle, its a 25quid choke (in the Briley case) not a barrel. Small reasons which for me made them worthwhile.

 

I dont for a second expect them to make me shoot better.

[utectok]

longer chokes are supposed to reduce recoil also

[Catamong]

longer chokes are supposed to reduce recoil also

 

My goodness, they're really coming out now.

 

Cat.

[Andy W]

Extended chokes look great and make me shoot better ........... not.

 

For me my Miroku came with 3 extended teagues, the advantage as I see it is if you are one of them who change chokes on every stand they are quick and easy to swop with out a choke key and also as said before, they do offer a little more protection to the end of the barrel.

 

The comp n choke are a good choke and after me and pair away carried out back to back tests with our mirokus and teague versus comp n choke, the comp n choke patterned much better. http://www.comp-n-choke.com/

[Greenhunter]

OK Cat, come off the fence. Give us your opinion so we can discuss it!

 

I've never patterned anything so I'm quoting what I've heard from poeple with more experience than me who say an extended choke gives a more even spread as there's less deformation to the shot creating less stray pellets. Seems logical to me

 

I use one on my auto if for nothing else it gives an extra inch on the 26" I've got without and it seems to improve my percentage of clean kills, clays too.

[mikee]

you must remember that the choking restictions were worked out back in the days before plastic wad carts, which supposedly throw about 1/4 choke tighter than fiber wad

 

mikee

[tweedledee]

when i shoot if i begin to miss i start questioning my choice of chokes.i believe it only throws doubt and query in the back of your mind hence resulting in more misses.best to take 2 chokes and stick with them.i have extended chokes for my gun sure they look good but i don`t believe they do any more than flush chokes.fixed choke guns have became unpopular since m/chokes came out.if i found a nice fixed choke gun i would`nt hesitate in buying it.i believe a fixed choke throws a better more consistant pattern as the choke is bored in the barrel rather than the last inch or two

[Ninj]

An extended can reduce recoil if its ported, not many are though.

[Catamong]

OK Cat, come off the fence. Give us your opinion so we can discuss it!

 

I've never patterned anything so I'm quoting what I've heard from poeple with more experience than me who say an extended choke gives a more even spread as there's less deformation to the shot creating less stray pellets. Seems logical to me

 

I use one on my auto if for nothing else it gives an extra inch on the 26" I've got without and it seems to improve my percentage of clean kills, clays too.

 

Years ago I spent many hours test patterning all sorts of shells through all sorts of chokes, and, to be quite honest, I didn't learn very much apart from the fact that a full choke throws a marginally tighter pattern than say, Improved Cylinder at 30 yards range.

 

I use extended ported Rhino chokes in my Beretta 682, I believe they throw a slightly tighter pattern than the original flush fitting chokes, but even though they are ported, there is no perceived reduction in either recoil or muzzle flip.

 

A lot has to do with confidence, I know that when I have that Light Mod (3/8) Rhino in the barrel, there isn't a clay that flies that it won't break, IF the gun is pointing in the right place.

 

Cat.

[Catamong]

OK Cat, come off the fence. Give us your opinion so we can discuss it!

 

I've never patterned anything so I'm quoting what I've heard from poeple with more experience than me who say an extended choke gives a more even spread as there's less deformation to the shot creating less stray pellets. Seems logical to me

 

I use one on my auto if for nothing else it gives an extra inch on the 26" I've got without and it seems to improve my percentage of clean kills, clays too.

 

Years ago I spent many hours test patterning all sorts of shells through all sorts of chokes, and, to be quite honest, I didn't learn very much apart from the fact that a full choke throws a marginally tighter pattern than say, Improved Cylinder at 30 yards range.

 

I use extended ported Rhino chokes in my Beretta 682, I believe they throw a slightly tighter pattern than the original flush fitting chokes, but even though they are ported, there is no perceived reduction in either recoil or muzzle flip.

 

A lot has to do with confidence, I know that when I have that Light Mod (3/8) Rhino in the barrel, there isn't a clay that flies that it won't break, IF the gun is pointing in the right place.

 

Cat.

[broken man]

Years ago I spent many hours test patterning all sorts of shells through all sorts of chokes, and, to be quite honest, I didn't learn very much apart from the fact that a full choke throws a marginally tighter pattern than say, Improved Cylinder at 30 yards range.

 

I use extended ported Rhino chokes in my Beretta 682, I believe they throw a slightly tighter pattern than the original flush fitting chokes, but even though they are ported, there is no perceived reduction in either recoil or muzzle flip.

 

A lot has to do with confidence, I know that when I have that Light Mod (3/8) Rhino in the barrel, there isn't a clay that flies that it won't break, IF the gun is pointing in the right place.

 

Cat.

 

Hey Cat,

do you keep both same size in both barrels?

seen a lot of guys changing at each stand (club level that is)

I must admit, I only remove mine when cleaning the gun.

[Greenhunter]

Years ago I spent many hours test patterning all sorts of shells through all sorts of chokes, and, to be quite honest, I didn't learn very much apart from the fact that a full choke throws a marginally tighter pattern than say, Improved Cylinder at 30 yards range.

 

I use extended ported Rhino chokes in my Beretta 682, I believe they throw a slightly tighter pattern than the original flush fitting chokes, but even though they are ported, there is no perceived reduction in either recoil or muzzle flip.

 

A lot has to do with confidence, I know that when I have that Light Mod (3/8) Rhino in the barrel, there isn't a clay that flies that it won't break, IF the gun is pointing in the right place.

 

Cat.

Thanks Cat, that more or less confirms what I was basically trying to say and I found it useful and I hope Cosd did too.

I use 1/4 for everything now and the main thing is, I'm confident with it.

[Catamong]

Hey Cat,

do you keep both same size in both barrels?

seen a lot of guys changing at each stand (club level that is)

I must admit, I only remove mine when cleaning the gun.

 

If I had to stick to one choke only, it would be 1/4 & 1/4, (Imp Cyl). I use this choke combination on probably 75% of all the Sporting stands I would shoot.

 

I will change chokes when I feel it would give me an advantage, i.e. on a very close rabbit or driven bird, but to be honest at very close range there is hardly any difference in effective pattern diameter, the only real advantage in choke changing is to stick a tighter choke in for very long going away second barrel birds, where you need a bit more clout to ensure the target is broken, and not merely "plinked", i.e hit but not broken. I now use some Hull Sovereign 6.5 loads for these very long targets and they break them well.

 

Back in 97 - 98 I decided not to change chokes at all and stick with 1/2 & 1/2 in both barrels, I ended up as South East Regional Sporting Champion and I got a top ten finish in the British Open, so perhaps it's all really in the mind..??

 

Cat.

[broken man]

If I had to stick to one choke only, it would be 1/4 & 1/4, (Imp Cyl). I use this choke combination on probably 75% of all the Sporting stands I would shoot.

 

I will change chokes when I feel it would give me an advantage, i.e. on a very close rabbit or driven bird, but to be honest at very close range there is hardly any difference in effective pattern diameter, the only real advantage in choke changing is to stick a tighter choke in for very long going away second barrel birds, where you need a bit more clout to ensure the target is broken, and not merely "plinked", i.e hit but not broken. I now use some Hull Sovereign 6.5 loads for these very long targets and they break them well.

 

Back in 97 - 98 I decided not to change chokes at all and stick with 1/2 & 1/2 in both barrels, I ended up as South East Regional Sporting Champion and I got a top ten finish in the British Open, so perhaps it's all really in the mind..??

 

Cat.

 

thanks for the info:

I think you're right.... some of it in the mind, I shoot with 3/4 in both....with resonable results (club level) having said that,

It seems to be hit or miss, rarely chippy....so who knows....perhaps I should change them!

[pair away]

i use comp n choke extended and ported in my miroku ( 1/2 and 1/2 ) and i do find there is a reduction in muzzel flip , they also give better patterns than other flush and extended chokes i have tried in this gun with my chosen ammo , in short if you are happy with what you are using you WILL shoot better, as with alot of sports most of it is all in the mind.

[utectok]

My goodness, they're really coming out now.

 

Cat.

listen cat I said ' supposed' to reduce recoil. Me I have flush chokes and shoot 1/4 and 1/2 most of the time unless flighting goose or long clays.

[Billy.]

Remember choke gives you inches, but you miss in feet.

 

Yes, remember that, Gary.

[clayman]

Is there a difference?

 

For example, does a 1/4" flush throw a different pattern to a 1/4" extended?

 

What's "Teague"? is this a type or make of choke.

 

The measure of a choke is the number of pellets in a given circle at a given range. So, a 1/4 flush choke and a 1/4 extended could have differing degrees of taper and end measurement when calipered, but still throw the same resulting pattern. Indeed, if a choke is manufactured to set dimensions it may well throw different patterns in different guns according to the barrel length, forcing cone type, and amount of wear etc.

 

Even difference cartridge brands and types will have some affect on the pattern result. Steel, for instance, is likely to pattern tighter than lead, and therefore produce a lower choke designation from the same tube.

 

Bottom line is that the only way to accurately check the patterns and resulting choke designation is to actually pattern your gun into a paper plate and count the pellets.

 

If you have'nt done this, its a very informative process, both in understanding your gun and how the chokes work, and also for you gun fit.

[MC]

Years ago I spent many hours test patterning all sorts of shells through all sorts of chokes, and, to be quite honest, I didn't learn very much apart from the fact that a full choke throws a marginally tighter pattern than say, Improved Cylinder at 30 yards range.

 

I use extended ported Rhino chokes in my Beretta 682, I believe they throw a slightly tighter pattern than the original flush fitting chokes, but even though they are ported, there is no perceived reduction in either recoil or muzzle flip.

 

A lot has to do with confidence, I know that when I have that Light Mod (3/8) Rhino in the barrel, there isn't a clay that flies that it won't break, IF the gun is pointing in the right place.

Cat.

 

I'd agree completely with that.

 

I use to use skeet and quarter in flush fitting chokes. I then obtained some extended chokes and started to use 1/4 in each barrel and my scores went up a few percent consistently. The rangey birds that would have been chipped were now broken convincingly.

 

I believe that it is always in your head. If you place the shot in the right place the clay will break.