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Wabbitbosher will undoubtedly have what you need! Also look on Ebay

Another good shout but tried and they've not got anything suitable in stock. There's also the angling centre but that's quite pricey so backup option. Might end up heading to Bushwear in Stirling, prices look decent there

Good option, have them in mind but just seeing if there's anything a bit cheaper on the doorstep first 👍

Looking for powder suitable for reloading 20bore (E.g Psb2, A1, Unique, Longshot) in Edinburgh. Anyone got some kicking about that they're looking to sell?

👍 Should have components by end of the week. Christmas come early!

That's what I've gone for so good to have confirmation! What wad length does the 27g recipe use?

Thanks, makes sense 👍 Hoping John at FES has stock still, I know he was due some in recently but demand has been something else

Mainly thinking RE case length, is it likely to be alright? Wanting to avoid buying components then having to put a very deep RTO on because too long. Planning on 67mm case

Anyone got a good recipe for 20 bore, specifically RTO? 26-28g, #6 shot, fibre wad. Something like PSB2 or A1 for powder. Seen a fair bit of data for crimped but nothing RTO and want to get the right case length etc. Thanks in advance!

Been eyeing up a 16g Prestige but no chance this year due to financial impact of Covid. What's the balance like on them? I've got a Lincoln No2 in 20 and whilst I like it I think it's a little bit front-heavy.

I emailed them earlier in the week, nothing back. Also nothing when I tried several months ago. I imagine they're probably a one-person show run out of someone's house but I'd have expected some response after contacting more than once at different times. Trying to buy stuff not just pass the time of day 😂

It's a shame that shooting is getting so much criticism regarding this. Ok so they don't like shooting, that's fine, but regardless of what it is it's quite logical for it to go ahead. It's a sport where social distancing is essentially always the norm anyway, taking place in rural areas with fairly low population density and all the while contributing to the food chain. So a productive and safe activity. The only potentially valid concern would be having people travelling to rural areas and increasing risk. However as we know thousands of people are flooding to rural areas each weekend anyway, often littering the countryside while they're at it. So I think the environmentally and socially responsible side (shooting activities) still comes out top...

Worth trying ERSG in Edinburgh

They're anti-gun but handing out a cheatsheet for where those with bad intentions can steal firearms... Undermining gun control seems somewhat counter-intuitive to their apparent beliefs. Ok so they don't like badgers being culled that's their opinion, but how about the direct consequence of their actions which could lead to people being harmed using stolen guns!?

Angler's Choice in Dundee might be able to set you up. They've got Gamebore Rhino in 3.5" listed on website. They've also got the place in Kirkaldy now (We're Game). Probably worth a call

Does anyone know where Scotlandreloading is based (more specifically than Scotland!) and if they do collection? Could be easier for primed cases etc

Interesting, thanks for the input 👍 Do you need plastic wad for TSS? Never loaded anything non-lead but in the future might be a must in order to keep the .410 running

Is there a reason for preference of TSS over Bismuth? Just as TSS is a bit more pricey it seems. Different performances?

Well if these can be £45/slab it does make you wonder. It doesn't cost that much more in materials for the additional powder/shot for a game load. I think manufacturers try to justify the cost in relation to marketing and research etc, in reality it's not to do with components. We just get shafted is the take away! It's not like that isn't the case with lead as well, each brand has a million different lines of cartridge and how much difference is there in material cost between say a Black Gold and a Clear Pigeon? Probably nothing like the price difference...

Very interesting to see the wad, especially as it's comprised of traditional materials. There's been so much focus on biodegradable wads with the same shape as plastic which I can see as being an advantage both in time to break down and in patterns but I wonder if not enough attention was paid to this idea of a paper/cork shot-cup. It's good to have variety on the market and see what works. I don't want to lose lead but change does seem to be happening so we might as well be as informed as possible. If they end up working then I'd have nothing against using them. Would love to see smaller bore sizes of that wad for reloading... Keep us posted!

I don't think this has been covered in the other threads on steel yet, apologies if so. JustCartridges now stock the Jocker and BioAmmo steel loads with non-plastic wads. Jocker seems to use a paper shotcup and BioAmmo is a similar set-up to Eley Pro Eco. What interested me was some of the prices, which were a lot more realistic than anything else I've seen. Jocker BioSteel Game 32g 4 are £99 per slab or £349/1000 which is about £8.70 a box. Same brand do a 21g steel clay load with paper wad for £56/slab or £196/1000. BioAmmo Lux Steel 32g 3 or 5 is apparently £387/thou (these have a biodegradable case as well), that's a little cost more than Eley. It's interesting that quite quickly since everything kicked off in February, the market actually does seem to be providing increasingly viable alternatives. Price is a significant factor in deciding whether to give them a try so this could definitely encourage uptake and makes you think what other advances might be out by this time next year. People can at least give them a go to see if they're effective for the shooting that they do. This isn't taking a stance on steel either way, more pointing out that the necessary technology for plastic-free steel loads is perhaps more varied and prevalent than previously suggested to us...

Wax e.g Slippery ****'s? They do a plain one and some with a tint e.g walnut

Very nice, it seems that mainland Europe had more/held onto the ornate designs longer whereas in the UK there was a period of them and now they're all quite plain. I wonder if it's anything to do with the volume used? In France/Belgium/Germany for instance I think they perhaps have a tradition of using a lower volume of cartridges due to their styles of hunting. It would make sense to still put the effort in with a nice design when you're not burning through a number of slabs in an outing. Indeed smaller packs of 10 or even 5 cartridges look more popular abroad which may tie into that. It's not an area I'm very knowledgeable on but that's a few thoughts that others may be able to weigh in on?

That'll be a challenge but you could try Henry Krank, they do 9mm Flobert and a few other less common loads. Pellpax have CCI .22 shot shells so perhaps could order them in .38. Likely expensive and you'd probably have to order a few boxes from wherever to make it worth their while. But shouldn't be impossible

Undoubtedly plastic wad. I've got 100+ unboxed Winchester Rangers of a similar vintage (67mm, shot size 6, I think 30g but not marked). Have established that they're plastic having cut one open. I don't use plastic wads and it seems a waste to use them on clays as I know they're fairly sought-after. With a lot of cartridges you can tell the wad by seeing how much give they have in them (plastic wads tend to have a bit of flex if you press from the side) or holding up to the light. With Winchesters they have a nice good quality hull so neither of those approaches work!