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First it would be illegal. Second the police would rightly refuse. The laws would have to be changed. People would be killed in the process as they were forced out of boats. It is not going to happen. Rwanda is a better plan. Offer supported settled status to all those who serve in Ukraine for the period of the war. 😇 There are no easy solutions but the problem has only just started. It will get many many times worse yet.

So no point leaving then.

That's not what I see. The boat being turned around is not the same as the one departing. I see a group of migrants returning up the beach. Maybe it's real maybe it's not. There is a whole range of enemy actors out there paying to convince you that this is real. Paying to distort the truth to sow division and hatred.

The UK made the conventions that form ECHR. We can clearly make whatever laws we wish. In any proposal to withdraw from ECHR surely the first question must be what conventions we want to see removed from the public. It's another debate where people are against something but unable to say what they want to replace it with. Very similar to the recent referendum. We don't like it, we don't know why but we want out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights

Great stuff.

We did its called the ECHR.

This from a recent BASC posting on protecting shooting. Given the SSPCA’s longstanding and publicly stated opposition towards shooting, BASC has concerns that this could lead to biased investigations, compromising the fundamental rights under Article 8 and Article 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). BASC fears that SSPCA’s actions might lead to unsafe convictions due to its ideological stance. Some on here want out of the ECHR. I wonder how many of our basic rights are protected through it. Baby and bath water?

Well done BASC.

🤔 they would all be middle of the road. 😁

OMG that's unreal. All for what everyone's life ruined. I do think it's a lot worse now. I used to drink out in Coventry as a kid and we would expect trouble on a night out in the city. The worst you could expect would be to get glassed.

👍 😁

Sue is awesome. I would vote her for PM if possible. Or come to that my old mentor Bob Kerslake. Who used to say the choice is very rarely this or that. Let's find a different way. Politics would be so much more efficient if running the country was left to the technocrats. 👍

We need better trade to pay for increasing costs. Increasing EU trade does not have to mean getting into bed. It just means a sensible adult convo without the Tory hang ups. The tax rises are inevitable who ever gets in. People chose the tories last time around and like covid they have to be paid for. Interesting that the London stock exchange overtook Paris for the first time in two years. In part because of Labour's positioning and in response to le Pens unfunded election proposals. All a far cry from the Liz Truss tory disaster that lost market confidence that we are still paying for.

Come on Starmer. We need change. Let's hope its for the better. It has to be on the agenda to get a better relationship with the EU. Our economy is pretty much finished without it. It has to be on the agenda to start training and trying to get a strong foothold into green industries. We know tax needs to increase to pay for the crumbling state of the countries services. A greater emphasis on energy generation has to be welcomed. What's not to like from Starmers plans? Lots of preperation has gone into positioning Starmers team to make a flying start. The work they have all done with the civil service teams under the guidance of Sue Grey is to applauded. All the prep and all the groundwork is there. The question is can he deliver and how long can he / they hold the line.

Well done to your lad. I saw an AIS track with 70% of the fleet going the wrong way as they tried to retire. Lots of bad press about the calls to the RNLI. Great stuff and exciting no doubt. 😁👍

It's ok for the owner to say the officer should be sacked but they know how to handle them. Your average copper is looking at the problem from a different perspective.

Just rescind nationality act of 1981. Clause four has long gone. Reform?

Even better if there were rules that barred citizenship for any children born here during study.

I hear it but how. It will do nowt because we need it now and it will take time to turn around the tanker. Ultimately its the way forward but how long has the next govt got? Benefits is part of the problem but equally at issue is the availability of training. Education drop outs will not be easy to train. All of the infrastructure for this (TEC's) has been dismantled. How are we to pay for what's needed in between? Wether we needed a workforce from Europe or not we had it. Getting rid over night without a contingency was madness driven by anti migration dogma. We still rely heavily on foreign labour in the NHS nursing will take years to train. When I started work we were importing labour from the Philippines for nursing we are still doing it.

So what would you do???all well and good saying we don't want immigration. What do you propose we do about it. Farage has no plan. Our economy is based on growth driven one way or another by population. Stop migration, train the work force here but it will do nowt for most. It will take time and for the last 14 years we have done nothing. We cut off the work force we relied upon from Europe without a plan as to what we would do differently. Of course we are in a mess but its a fault of our own not that of migrants.

Wealth health and security would seem to me to be the priorities. I appreciate that immigration is an important issue but its small by comparison, blown out of proportion by those that want to divide the country. Get the basics right and the rest can fall into place. Whatever policy any party puts forward will be shot down by those unable to look at a bigger picture. We all want change but none of us will spell out what it is and what we have to do to achieve it.

His mantra is a one trick pony. If people vote on the basis of this one idea then they have been hoodwinked by the propaganda. There are so many more important issues to focus on.

That's more like it, proper food. Lashings of olive oil on that salad and a helping of spinach and garlic for me. Valpolicella to wash it down Yum.

They all implode second / third term. They run out of ideas, infighting takes over the scandal is uncovered. In the case of Thatcher it was two terms before the bile of the right wing boiled through with the poll tax rebellion. With Blair his success was enough to see him through to a third term before the socialist uprising pulled him down. Where do we end up? Back where we started, a no choice election.

They would be taking over the highest tax regime ever. The economy in free fall and public services in dire straights. Indeed it's chaos. Lets hope they can make some sense of it. They are certainly positioned well. Hopefully they can do a Blair (2.4% growth and independent central bank) before they degenerate to previous form.