Ali-C Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Hi all, just a quickie. Does land have to be cleared for a sec1 shotgun if it is held on a closed ticket? Cheers, Ali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 No if you don't ask for solid slug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 just slightly going off track here but i've never understood why you can't shoot game with a section1 shot gun seems a daft rule to me is there actually a good reason or is just another silly rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 "Game" It's considered not very sporting to say let 10 off on the trot at a passing fezzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 yeah i suppose you would get the odd trigger happy idiot! i've very rarely ever got 3 shot of when i had a hatsan, and before anyone says no it wasn't because it jammed! most people know if you miss with the first 2 your either never gonna hit it or it's gone out of range by then anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunters_return Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Ali-c, is your FAC shotgun held on a closed ticket then? I just put in for one and the FEO said that you have to name a place of use to get the ticket but then you can use it anywhere you have permission to shoot a shotgun (standard or fac), said as a joke i think, "you can take it clay pigeon shooting if you realy want too, shouldnt miss then" I hope this is a fact, and it don't come back closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali-C Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Ali-c, is your FAC shotgun held on a closed ticket then? I just put in for one and the FEO said that you have to name a place of use to get the ticket but then you can use it anywhere you have permission to shoot a shotgun (standard or fac), said as a joke i think, "you can take it clay pigeon shooting if you realy want too, shouldnt miss then" I hope this is a fact, and it don't come back closed. It's held on Gary H's ticket, but I'm (slowly) repaying him for it. Yes it is closed though. tbh I can't see any problem with it, it's no different from an ordinary shotgun except for the amount of carts you can put up the mag tube, so I wouldn't have thought land would need clearing, same as sec2? Correct me if I'm wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowdy Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 You can only take a section 1 shotgun clay shooting if you have clay shooting on your Fac as a conditon. so if you only have for pest and vermin then that is all that you can use it for. I have clay pigion shooting as a condition on mine as well as wildboar, deer (inc with solid slug), fox,vermin and birds under the wildlife and country side act 1981 and also practical shotgun target shooting .and zeroing on ranges or land over which i have lawful authority to shoot. Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunters_return Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 You can only take a section 1 shotgun clay shooting if you have clay shooting on your Fac as a conditon. so if you only have for pest and vermin then that is all that you can use it for. I have clay pigion shooting as a condition on mine as well as wildboar, deer (inc with solid slug), fox,vermin and birds under the wildlife and country side act 1981 and also practical shotgun target shooting .and zeroing on ranges or land over which i have lawful authority to shoot. Bob. sounds like i need to sort this out when my Feo comes to visit, dont want a multi purpose gun restricted to single use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 I'm gonna check with my FLO tomorrow about this, i'm sure you can take them clay shooting as the land will already be cleared for this, but dont quote me on it ok, maybe different regions have different ideas about sec 1 shotguns and apply restrictions accordingly. I'll find out tomorrow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 I'm gonna check with my FLO tomorrow about this, i'm sure you can take them clay shooting as the land will already be cleared for this, but dont quote me on it ok, maybe different regions have different ideas about sec 1 shotguns and apply restrictions accordingly.I'll find out tomorrow.... Always best to do your homework and get your facts right before speaking with your firearms department staff. As a multishot shotgun is held on a fac, fac rules apply. You would be wise to read section 10.35d of the Home Office guidelines in which it states that territorial conditions are not usually attached to S1 shotguns. Got nothing to do with clay grounds being cleared. However as with all guns held on fac you can only use them for the things they are conditioned for. For instance if you wish to use your S1 shotgun for clays you must request it and as this condition is "automatically" given to you and printed on your fac thus allowing you to shoot clays in addition to the use you requested at grant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 spoke to firearms dept today and they confirmed that to take a sec1 shotgun clay shooting then it needs to be on your ticket. not to worry tho as i've just got to send my licence in and they'll amend it for clay shooting aswell no problem.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunters_return Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 spoke to firearms dept today and they confirmed that to take a sec1 shotgun clay shooting then it needs to be on your ticket.not to worry tho as i've just got to send my licence in and they'll amend it for clay shooting aswell no problem.. Just an update on this. FEO just left my house, i'v ask for fac shotgun and i ask this question. He said, and i quote "you need to state permission for reason of aquirement but after that you can take it anywhere you have permission to shoot including clay pigeon, if the ground has no objections, how would you get to know the gun good enough to shoot at live quary otherwise". Maybe it differs from area to area. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMM Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 just slightly going off track here but i've never understood why you can't shoot game with a section1 shot gun seems a daft rule to me is there actually a good reason or is just another silly rule? One of the main reasons is that they can not as easily been seen as safe, i.e. with a o/u or sbs you can "break" the barrels when carrying the gun around. With a semi or pump they look like they could be loaded most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Just an update on this.FEO just left my house, i'v ask for fac shotgun and i ask this question. He said, and i quote "you need to state permission for reason of aquirement but after that you can take it anywhere you have permission to shoot including clay pigeon, if the ground has no objections, how would you get to know the gun good enough to shoot at live quary otherwise". Maybe it differs from area to area. Paul If that was the case your FEO has told you to break the law and if you've done it you could have your FAC revoked for breach of conditions. You MUST have the condition on you ticket to use a S1 shotgun for clays. Many forces add it automatically (and this may be the case with your force which is why the FEO said what he did), and i've never heard of anyone asking for it and being denied. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 just slightly going off track here but i've never understood why you can't shoot game with a section1 shot gun seems a daft rule to me is there actually a good reason or is just another silly rule? If you did you'd be breaking the law as its an offence to shoot any wild bird with a gun with a magazine capacity of more than two rounds. The only exemption to this I believe is if the birds are on the general license which pheasants aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I got a letter from land owner saying he had a problem with pigeons fox etc and him not having a problem with a sec1 shotgun on hes land.I sent letter with my variation feo came over and refused me the sec1 shotgun saying i needed to be a member of a practical club but i was granted the 22lr.Diferent forces different rules it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasons gold Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I got a letter from land owner saying he had a problem with pigeons fox etc and him not having a problem with a sec1 shotgun on hes land.I sent letter with my variation feo came over and refused me the sec1 shotgun saying i needed to be a member of a practical club but i was granted the 22lr.Diferent forces different rules it seems. contact basc if you are a member they will help with an appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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