davie mac Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8494582.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 I seriously hope this doesn't go through. On our syndicate we depend on snares and because we usually only put down roughly 70 birds we can't afford losses. We snare about 20ish foxes a year on our small shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboots Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 saw a article last week in the ballymoney times by sinn fein mla d.mckay calling for snares to be banned i know a few lads who snare and without snares they would loss a lot of birds to foxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8494563.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelli montefeltro Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 can foxes not be controlled enough by lamping them? i think that the snare is quite an inhumane method of controlling them to be honest. no one can deny that the animal would be in pain and distress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 can foxes not be controlled enough by lamping them? i think that the snare is quite an inhumane method of controlling them to be honest. no one can deny that the animal would be in pain and distress Benelli I have backed you up on most things but I must admit I don't on this case. Take our syndicate; there are only 3 of us in it and we only put about 70 birds down a year. We generally snare in the region of 20 foxes a year, we do shoot some but when the winter comes along the foxes are usually lamp shy. If these foxes weren't snared they would cause serious damage. Provided the snares are checked daily then they are humane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Probably an idea to get onto your MLA's sharpish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelli montefeltro Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Benelli I have backed you up on most things but I must admit I don't on this case. Take our syndicate; there are only 3 of us in it and we only put about 70 birds down a year. We generally snare in the region of 20 foxes a year, we do shoot some but when the winter comes along the foxes are usually lamp shy. If these foxes weren't snared they would cause serious damage. Provided the snares are checked daily then they are humane. im afraid i disagree. checking them daily does not make them any more humane in my opinion. they are an inherently cruel thing. in my opinion anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 im afraid i disagree. checking them daily does not make them any more humane in my opinion. they are an inherently cruel thing. in my opinion anyway. Have you ever looked after birds on a syndicate? The 3 of us technically are the part time keepers, without snares it wouldn't be worth our while putting birds out. Ok everyone is intitled to their opinion so I won't criticise you for giving your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 well i`m with benelli on this one.each to their own but i myself would n`t be at it.one shot quick kill.how would you like to hang yourself. too much distress for my liking and i assure you i have no problem kiling things.i just think there are more humane ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboots Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 and what about foxes crows etc etc that are shot and wounded and then run/fly off to suffer before they die , instead of banning snaring they shoud ban the musliums who cut a cows throat and let it bleed to death now thats what i call suffering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 well i`m with benelli on this one.each to their own but i myself would n`t be at it.one shot quick kill.how would you like to hang yourself. too much distress for my liking and i assure you i have no problem kiling things.i just think there are more humane ways So i take it that you wouldnt useb a sip leadf on a dog If properly set, (draglines and self locking snares are illeagal) The animal will not be harmed untill you put a barrelm or two through his body. Its just the same a s a lead on your dog. Would you prefer that baited carcases with strychinne were legalised so it would kill tha animal instantly along with most other things that touched it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 well i`m with benelli on this one.each to their own but i myself would n`t be at it.one shot quick kill.how would you like to hang yourself. too much distress for my liking and i assure you i have no problem kiling things.i just think there are more humane ways So i take it that you wouldnt useb a sip leadf on a dog If properly set, (draglines and self locking snares are illeagal) The animal will not be harmed untill you put a barrelm or two through his body. Its just the same a s a lead on your dog. Would you prefer that baited carcases with strychinne were legalised so it would kill tha animal instantly along with most other things that touched it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 I agree that if snares are not checked on a regular basis they are cruel but providing they are checked every 24 hours they are fine. Everyone who is calling for an end to the snares don't have to look after pheasants all year; I know I have already said this but wiithout snares our syndicate would be cleared out by foxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofkings Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 well i`m with benelli on this one.each to their own but i myself would n`t be at it.one shot quick kill.how would you like to hang yourself. too much distress for my liking and i assure you i have no problem kiling things.i just think there are more humane ways I'm with these two on this,iIf I had birds to look after I'd rather be out more shooting them are trapping them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 If a snare's set right and checked it's not a problem. Fair enough Charlie is going to be a bit ****** that he cant carry on killing stuff, but there's no 'pain and suffering' issue. The one in the photo looks to me like its set against a sheep fence - guaranteed problems. P.S. its a good idea to lamp as well, not instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW80 Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Just more interference by stormont into matters they don't need to be sticking their beaks into. Paisley junior is actually quite supportive of shooting and country sports so lets hope he sees sense and nips this in the bud before it gets passed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 im afraid i disagree. checking them daily does not make them any more humane in my opinion. they are an inherently cruel thing. in my opinion anyway. .....and shooting at 60 yd woodpigeon will always be so ? Especially with 24gm 7.5`s LINKY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Dog Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 .....and shooting at 60 yd woodpigeon will always be so ? Especially with 24gm 7.5`s LINKY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 once shot one at 70 yards, but at least i used a 32g 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I lamp regularly in the same area that Ollie snares... i rarely see anything. I put it down to all the foxes in that area being drawn to the pheasants (and they aren't goin for a look) and ollie's snares getting them. I wouldn't say that a well set snare is PERFECTLY humane- but they are necessary. I have had many foxes make it a few yards after i've shot them- no doubt in a lot of pain. Thing is there isn't a perfect solution to fox control, in the mean-time we have to make do with shooting and snaring... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I lamp regularly in the same area that Ollie snares... i rarely see anything. I put it down to all the foxes in that area being drawn to the pheasants (and they aren't goin for a look) and ollie's snares getting them. I wouldn't say that a well set snare is PERFECTLY humane- but they are necessary. I have had many foxes make it a few yards after i've shot them- no doubt in a lot of pain. Thing is there isn't a perfect solution to fox control, in the mean-time we have to make do with shooting and snaring... Glensman is right, all the foxes in the area get drawn by the pheasants. Just ask the farmers about this area if they are happy with the use of snares when it comes round to lambing time? I have now lifted the snares for the year but in the last week we got 2 vixens which are well rid of considering the farmers will be lambing soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelli montefeltro Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 once shot one at 70 yards, but at least i used a 32g 6 thats good to hear babby, although i thought you didnt take on such shots as you are out for the pot all the time just?? and you want a clean kill. isnt that what you said at the time you were defending your liking for shooting roosting pheasants out of the trees??? it ensured a clean kill isnt that what you said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Dangerous area saying one part of the sport is humane the other isn't. Shooting is not always humane, foxes that are shot and wander off are always a possibilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 (edited) thats good to hear babby, although i thought you didnt take on such shots as you are out for the pot all the time just?? and you want a clean kill. isnt that what you said at the time you were defending your liking for shooting roosting pheasants out of the trees??? it ensured a clean kill isnt that what you said nope, im not out for the pot all the time, ive said before its mostly pest control - you know, pest control, also known as "shooting pigeons for a proper and legal reason" mate anyway, ive yet to see a roosting pheasant, never mind shoot one. we'll see what happens when i get the .17hmr... :good: edit - just pointing out for the other idiots, before this starts another stupid row - note the rolling eyes, its sarcasm Edited February 10, 2010 by babbyc1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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