dodeer Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 I would like to voice my opinons on plastic wadded cartridges, I often walk past fields where i see loads of plastic wads laying around and wonder why people use the things, when fibre wad carts are so good these days? I think that we all need to become more shooting friendly and fibre is the way to go from a wildlife view and anti - shooting view. What do you lot think? THANKS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 Yep,i'm with you there,the only time i use plastic is on clay grounds that allow them,but even then i usually use fibre as it saves having loads and loads of different cartridges and you are never caught out buy running out of fibre with a fibre only shoot the next day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Pieman Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 This is a topical and rather sensitive subject. We all have a view, but try not to cast the 'non converted' into hell and damnation :what: :what: I appreciate the environmental issues, but I do feel the lack of shot cup can badly affect the shot pattern. This is only my opinion and isn't scientifically based I'm not sure you want an opinion, rather an agreement :C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGhost Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 I prefer fibre, plastic gives you the the same results as about an extra 1/8 choke. However when reloading I use plastic as i have about 1000 of the things. Over decoys I pick up the plastic wads when easy, such as on fresh drilling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everygoodnamewastaken Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 Or an empty cartrige...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elma Fud Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 Maybe I'm wrong, I simply feel that plastic wadding cartridges are harder hitting. :*) and on occasions the felt wad breaks up on leaving the barrel creating a fine dust, this in the past has blown into my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryhawk Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Fibre for me, if there in the pattern there dead. Countless times have i shot on fresh drillings after someone else and have had to pick up the wads for fear of the farmer thinking there where mine. I don't believe all this rubbish about hitting harder with plastic wads. Never used them and NEVER feel the need to use them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deako Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Did you know that Hull do a photodegradable plas-wad?... and it actually works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Pieman Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Harry H, shouldn't rubbish them if you've never tried them! I've found a set of test results in an old Shooting Times relating to plastic cups giving better, consistant patterns over their fibre competition. The general consensus is that over a longer distance the pattern is better formed with less variation between shots. If I can get my scanner to work I'll post it for folk to see. Deako, top news about Hull's 'biodegraders'. I'll get a box to try. If they suit my gun I'll change over as I'll get my precious shot cup AND help do my bit for the environment :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 I think it has been scientifically proved, that plastic cups give a better consistent pattern over distance, than felt wads. The big question is, does it matter that much to the live quarry shooter ? I don,t think it does. There are so many other reasons to miss a bird, that the wrong cup/wad, is the least of my worries. I can understand why it is important to the clay/competition shooters. One missed clay, can mean success or failure. Plastic cups laying around a field, are as ugly and uneccesary a sight, as empty cartridge cases. Most farms with livestock, or that are "organic", ban them anyway. Every game syndicate I have ever known, bans them. The Hull biodegradable plastic wad is the way forward. I have heard of them and my local gunshop stocks them. As I don,t have a preferance for plastic cups, I haven,t enquired about the price. I suspect there is a premium to pay. I would add that, I don,t think pigeon shooters that use plastic cups are "bad people", each to his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Pieman Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 I've just scanned through the prices of the bio degradable cartridges. They are between 20 and 30% more expensive That said, I have made a conscious decision to buy this type from now on, then I get to keep my precious shot cup! Probably phsycological but necessary :( It'll be a belated New Year resolution and one less person for the antis of our sport to use to support their protests Might even try to 'exchange' the unused plastics I have in the safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deako Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 1000 cartridges, 20 bore 'Hull Sterling Game' costs me about £123, which seems quite reasonable to me...and there seems to be no price difference between the photo wad and fibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Pieman Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 I currently pay £85 per 1000 (12g, sixes)for Express Pigeons. Cheapest bio ones I can find is £122. :*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 Just found this so thought I would add my tuppence. I have always used plastic wads as they give between 10 and 15%tighter patterns than fibre,or used to anyway. I mistakenly bought some Hull fibre special pigeon and actually found them superb.They kill well at range and stuff 'em close in. I have also used Gamebore Extreme pigeon.Boy,they shoot very tightly but chuck plastic all over the place. My shooting partner and I just use the Hull now and feel better for it and don't miss plastic.Farmageddon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Pudding Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 Well i'll add my £50 worth!!!!! :blink: I've always shot fiber wad...gamebore special pigeon £96 per 1000.... Tryed other carts , but these for me are the "mutts" , I'll also add ...WHOE TO YOU WHO SHOOT PLASTIC WADS OVER MY LAND!!!!!!!! all the best yis yp :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 What does "whoe" mean,did you mean to call me a whore?You shouldn't presume,just 'cause I wear Mums cloths!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 At the risk of upsetting good old YP, I must say that having shot plaswads at clays with approx 20 other guys every weekend for 15 years over one arable field from '82 to '97, I walked that same field in February and can honestly say I could not see a single plaswad on the field....where did they go?:blink: - They have all literally disappeared, and I must say that over arable land, I don't believe it matters. I'd like to think that they've been eaten by all the Crows, Magpies, Rats, Foxes, Stoats and Weasels that frequent the same field, and that they've all choked to death...!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 2 things. Is there a fibre wad that will protect the bore from the harder non-toxic shot? Someone recommended a cartridge(plastic) that would not jam in an Ithaca pump-action, but I've forgotten what it was, 'clear pigeon' perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 Kent/Gamebore make a hard card full length wad for steel shot up to a diameter of 3.6mm I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted May 27, 2003 Report Share Posted May 27, 2003 I've been sat here ages looking at that picture rjimmer,can't you make it BIGGER? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted May 27, 2003 Report Share Posted May 27, 2003 i do try and stick to fibre when shooting aywhere other than clay grounds that allow them for a few reasions,the first and most important for me is a fair bit of the land i shoot on i dairy farm/livestock,so i try to keep all cartridges for this side of the sport the same to avoid accidentally tipping a box of plastic in my pocket and possably losing some shooting ground because of it.On clays however if i am allowed to shoot plastic i will as they are cheaper and i'm a tight *** :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted May 28, 2003 Report Share Posted May 28, 2003 I've been sat here ages looking at that picture rjimmer,can't you make it BIGGER? Not sure! Here's the URL http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/pictur...ejokes/8320.gif have go yourself. I bet somebody can. If so please tell us how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everygoodnamewastaken Posted May 28, 2003 Report Share Posted May 28, 2003 Right click over it.......save pic as....... click on it where you saved it on your pc.............zoom in. Not that i done it of course :*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 Right click over it.......save pic as....... click on it where you saved it on your pc.............zoom in. Not that i done it of course :*) Somehow I've managed to get it working as my computer's wallpaper (whole screen), but I can't remember how I did it. Something to do with the active desktop and synchronization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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