Guest cookoff013 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 i was looking at pigeon cartridges, not one has a 7/8 or a 3/4 oz of shot load #6. would you buy a shell for pigeons, 3/4 oz or 7/8ox #6 ? would they be cheaper? as the lead is the most expensive (although thats what we are all "lead" to believe) my reasoning, i patterned some #7.5, 21gram loads. i was really impressed. shirley 3/4oz of #6 should do the job,even at the shooters maximum abillity. even through a mod choke. what are your thoughts? i`d rather it didnt end up in a debate over clay cartridge use. i`m talking about the #6 here guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I have to say that I would and have used them. I often use a 28 bore for shooting pigeons and have 19 and 21 gram loads of 6's. The energy will be the same, you just won't have the pattern density so your kill rate may go down. I have not really noticed any difference using my 28, if you hit them they die. If you miss you miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I have to say that I would and have used them. I often use a 28 bore for shooting pigeons and have 19 and 21 gram loads of 6's. The energy will be the same, you just won't have the pattern density so your kill rate may go down. I have not really noticed any difference using my 28, if you hit them they die. If you miss you miss. thats what i thought. the pattern plate opened up my eyes. the pattern wasnt that wide at all, which makes me think. hence the poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Hi, Didn't vote because I know where I get them. My father used to load them and was still dropping pigeon at the age of 75. I still have loads left. They are also good for cripple stoppers for carrion. They're known as 12 bore 2 inch. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 As above, I have used such small loads in a 20 gauge, with good results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 (edited) I have to say that I would and have used them. I often use a 28 bore for shooting pigeons and have 19 and 21 gram loads of 6's. The energy will be the same, you just won't have the pattern density so your kill rate may go down. I have not really noticed any difference using my 28, if you hit them they die. If you miss you miss. This is quite a revalation. Only a few weeks ago you were saying you use nothing else other than 32 grams no.6! Now then 19 or 21 grams of 6 will certainly have far less pellets in than my favorite 28gram no.7.5! Edited February 8, 2010 by fortune82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 If you want to shoot light loads would it not make more sense to shoot a 20bore? I don't see the point in lugging 12 about if you could comfortably shoot those loads through a lighter gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I used to use 7/8's oz of 6's in my 20 bore. Why would you use such a load in a 12bore? Unless you are using 2" shells to teach a youngster, are very recoil sensitive or are just a cheapskate who loads his own :unsure: I have always thought that the cartridges I have used havn't been to blame for me missing, that's just my lack of talent ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I have to say that I would and have used them. I often use a 28 bore for shooting pigeons and have 19 and 21 gram loads of 6's. The energy will be the same, you just won't have the pattern density so your kill rate may go down. I have not really noticed any difference using my 28, if you hit them they die. If you miss you miss. This is quite a revalation. Only a few weeks ago you were saying you use nothing else other than 32 grams no.6! Now then 19 or 21 grams of 6 will certainly have far less pellets in than my favorite 28gram no.7.5! :unsure: I hear you on this one Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 what if you don't have a 20 bore? I don't have one in this country. However I would shoot 21/24g 6's over decoyed birds. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 If you want to shoot light loads would it not make more sense to shoot a 20bore?I don't see the point in lugging 12 about if you could comfortably shoot those loads through a lighter gun All of Father's 2" 12s, Patstone, Hellis and Linsley weighed about the same as an average 20 sbs and obviously far less than any 20 OU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I used to use 7/8's oz of 6's in my 20 bore. Why would you use such a load in a 12bore? Unless you are using 2" shells to teach a youngster, are very recoil sensitive or are just a cheapskate who loads his own :unsure: I have always thought that the cartridges I have used havn't been to blame for me missing, that's just my lack of talent ft why? because i can (i havent but could if i wished) say i reloaded and had lots of shot / primers / powder / cases to burn off ? cheapskate or value getter ? lol some 20bore shotguns are the same frame as a 12. often they can weigh almost as much. i shoot a sxs, its light as a feather. cheers for the inputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK fowler Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 if the birds are decoying in well why the hell not save some cash and the lack of recoil is a big plus.i reloaded a few boxes this spring 3/4oz 61/2 in fact wouldnt take them on a roost shoot but they were mint shooting over layed rape worked well on spring crows too.if you can find some with shot size bigger than 71/2 give them a try at harvest time can be a no go in some autos . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 This is quite a revalation. Only a few weeks ago you were saying you use nothing else other than 32 grams no.6! Now then 19 or 21 grams of 6 will certainly have far less pellets in than my favorite 28gram no.7.5! If you go back and read that thread again you will see that my argument was for using 6's over 7 1/2s. The striking energy of a 6 is the same regardless of what gun it comes from, the ammount of shot will not make up for bad shooting. If you put it in the right place the bird will be killed cleanly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popgun Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I have to say that I would and have used them. I often use a 28 bore for shooting pigeons and have 19 and 21 gram loads of 6's. The energy will be the same, you just won't have the pattern density so your kill rate may go down. I have not really noticed any difference using my 28, if you hit them they die. If you miss you miss. I use my 28 bore most of the time for decoying to be honest i find it kills out to the same range as a 12 bore i use no 7 shot the 28 seems to throw a narrower pattern you have to be spot on then it kills as well as a 12 the only down side is the price of the cartridges i have to use felt wads so i use eley 21 gram loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 If you go back and read that thread again you will see that my argument was for using 6's over 7 1/2s. The striking energy of a 6 is the same regardless of what gun it comes from, the ammount of shot will not make up for bad shooting. If you put it in the right place the bird will be killed cleanly Ah striking energy again! But remember as you stated yourself a 7.5 pellet has more than enough energy to kill a pigeon at the maximum range of a shotgun (40 yards according to you)! You should use 7 or 7.5 pellets in your 28 bore for a denser pattern! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I have used this year some Victory 24g 6's plastic wads in my 12bores. They were fine for Partridges and will use them for decoying on maize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Ah striking energy again! But remember as you stated yourself a 7.5 pellet has more than enough energy to kill a pigeon at the maximum range of a shotgun (40 yards according to you)! You should use 7 or 7.5 pellets in your 28 bore for a denser pattern! You stick to whatever you want to use and I will stick to what I want. And actually a 7.5 only just has the required energy at 40 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Nothing less than 32g goes up the barrels for me and quite often roost shooting I run with a 36g load of 5 or 6's. Rio Royal pigeon or victory whites are my favorite for the more discerning birds....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK fowler Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 have to agree with MC there i reload a 410 and love decoying with it .used 21grm us data in 61/2 .7. and 71/2 ,the 71/2s pattern great but just not enough umph at 35yrds the 61/2 were the best as a pigeon shell made up for the slight drop in velocity you get with a 410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Nothing less than 32g goes up the barrels for me and quite often roost shooting I run with a 36g load of 5 or 6's. Rio Royal pigeon or victory whites are my favorite for the more discerning birds....... we were using 32 gram 4's on a hare day on saturday, when it came to the last drive we were using a few on pigeons and well what a mighty fine load for very high pigeons, almost made my shooting look impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Through slightly tighter chokes to ensure pattern density, over deeks, no reason why not in my view. I have been using 21g 12bore carts on clays with no loss of confidence/scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Got to admit the "Whites" are a very good cartridge. Used a lot of them ( got them dirt cheap) in the 35g 4's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 You would have to place the pattern pretty accuratly as you dont have a lot of room for error, pellet penatration would be adequate for 35 yards. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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