scolopax Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 I can undertsand, as some have mentioned, the anger at some fool trampling all over working fields etc - but there seems to be a few on this site who seem to hate anyone who doesn't shoot. As for not giving anything back to the countryside, where does it say they have to. Although you may think you have more claim to free open land than the next person, you actually don't. I could imagine that an idiot wandering across your private land would be annoying/dangerous etc but that counts for others as well. I've come across bods from our shootting community that are just as ignorant/dim witted as flourescant ramblers. On that point, making themselves highly visible would seem a perfectly sensible thing to do - no more dafter than 'us' wrapped in camo gear to remain hidden from intended prey. As it sounds from some posts that the writers are up for a barny as soon as they see a rambler, I'm not surprised that confrontations take place. Maybe try taking your part into account and concentrate on your own attitude(that is a genral comment and not directed at anyone in particular). The countryside is there for all to enjoy, not just shooters. As above, each to there own in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Hmm, where does that leave me then, shooter, cyclist and volunteer on various local countryside related schemes, what do YOU put back? you cant class yourself as a volunteer if the judge orders you to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Went for a stroll with the dog and gun today and the peace was shattered by a group of ramblers. Wearing brightly coloured clothing they struggled through the mud with those wierd ski pole thingys. Not a wellie in sight, just those " Mine are more expensive than yours" walking boots. And who laminates thier maps, is it one of the group or is there a special Ramblers Laminating Map service. Where do they come from, and what the hell do they carry in those rucksacks, some of them today were bigger than my decoy bag!!! True Story................ Went for a ramble yesterday with my dog and a couple of pals. Weather was foul so we donned our Goretex walking boots, gaiters and waterproof jackets. I always carry a stick when walking, helps with the balance you know. We had been out about an hour when we came upon a chap with a shotgun and a dog hiding in a a small cops behind a scruffy bit of netting. Looked like a wannabe SAS trainee to me dressed head to foot in camo, I thought these country sports chaps wore tweeds and such. Anyway to cut a long story short this bastion of country sports decided to berate me and my pals for spoiling his pigeon shooting. Had I not noticed his decoys set out in the next field. For those that don't know these are like the plastic ducks the grandchildren have in the bath but in the shape of pigeons. How dare I have a loose dog with me. What the heck did I think I was doing walking on the fields where he shot, I'm lucky he had not shot me or my dog. Apparently he would be in his rights to shoot my dog if it chased the sheep. I queried with him the logic of decoying on a grass ley in February but he looked at me as if I was barmy and continued to lecture me on the right to roam and what a rum lot us ramblers are. I could stand it no longer...................... I told him in no uncertain terms that he was on my farm and that the permission he had was with my neighbour who within the hour would I guarantee have withdrawn said permission. Who the hell do these shooters think they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) I can undertsand, as some have mentioned, the anger at some fool trampling all over working fields etc - but there seems to be a few on this site who seem to hate anyone who doesn't shoot. As for not giving anything back to the countryside, where does it say they have to. Although you may think you have more claim to free open land than the next person, you actually don't. I could imagine that an idiot wandering across your private land would be annoying/dangerous etc but that counts for others as well. I've come across bods from our shootting community that are just as ignorant/dim witted as flourescant ramblers. On that point, making themselves highly visible would seem a perfectly sensible thing to do - no more dafter than 'us' wrapped in camo gear to remain hidden from intended prey. As it sounds from some posts that the writers are up for a barny as soon as they see a rambler, I'm not surprised that confrontations take place. Maybe try taking your part into account and concentrate on your own attitude(that is a genral comment and not directed at anyone in particular). The countryside is there for all to enjoy, not just shooters. Thats a bit vain, of course we hate everyone who ponce's around in our countryside who does'nt shoot. That goes the same for people who own 4x4's and don't shoot,fish or own land. Why should they own one? I mean I even hate landowners who won't have the land shot as it is a waste.......... In the words of a well known landowner..'Ramblers are nothing more than a bunch of unwashed peasants' Got to be honest I am always have conflict with walkers and ramblers because they don't seem to stick to the route or the rules when they are hiking around. In fact it was only the only day I told a group to get out of some woodland I was then going to roost shoot which ends in an arguement and them leaving. It was even more interesting when I pulled out of the farm track and two of their motors were stuck up to the axles......Alright then to speak to me ist'nt it- all is forgotten when they want pulling out. Unfortunately my sanity prevailed and and it incurred a charge for the service Yep I relieved 20 quid from the pair of them, which was all they had between 5 off them (peasants ) for a tow and despite their disgruntled attitude I merely told them; 'No hard feelings mate its all part of being in the countryside......now clear off you're still on private land until you reach the end of the lane Edited February 28, 2010 by starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) True Story................ Went for a ramble yesterday with my dog and a couple of pals. Weather was foul so we donned our Goretex walking boots, gaiters and waterproof jackets. I always carry a stick when walking, helps with the balance you know. We had been out about an hour when we came upon a chap with a shotgun and a dog hiding in a a small cops behind a scruffy bit of netting. Looked like a wannabe SAS trainee to me dressed head to foot in camo, I thought these country sports chaps wore tweeds and such. Anyway to cut a long story short this bastion of country sports decided to berate me and my pals for spoiling his pigeon shooting. Had I not noticed his decoys set out in the next field. For those that don't know these are like the plastic ducks the grandchildren have in the bath but in the shape of pigeons. How dare I have a loose dog with me. What the heck did I think I was doing walking on the fields where he shot, I'm lucky he had not shot me or my dog. Apparently he would be in his rights to shoot my dog if it chased the sheep. I queried with him the logic of decoying on a grass ley in February but he looked at me as if I was barmy and continued to lecture me on the right to roam and what a rum lot us ramblers are. I could stand it no longer...................... I told him in no uncertain terms that he was on my farm and that the permission he had was with my neighbour who within the hour would I guarantee have withdrawn said permission. Who the hell do these shooters think they are. If you hate shooters so much what the hell are you doing on here? Alright the fella was in the wrong place, but he was saying no more than you would expect any shooter to say if he was on your land and there was unknown's walking about. I agree he did it in the wrong manner but by the sound of it you would have stiffed him up with your neighbour anyway just because he was there? Thank god most landowners in my neck of the woods are not as touchy as you............. Edited February 28, 2010 by starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 what do YOU put back? Re the sea: my company pays a fortune in harbour dues, pilotage and light dues, all of which are ploughed back into facilities and safety of navigation for all. In my spare time, when not shooting, I work as an unpaid volunteer on one of Britain's historic ships, preserving and operating it for the benefit of all. Re roads: All my family's cars pay a fortune in road fund licences and insurance, largely, as far as I can see, for the benefit of all road users. Re the countryside: admittedly not a lot however I do shoot at various straw bale shoots which, presumably, helps to keep country people employed. But, unlike ramblers, I don't make a point of telling anybody else what they can and can't do. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy walking my dog in the country whilst observing legalities. There are aspects of coutryside management I don't like but I stay schtum knowing that these activities are a part of coutryside management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 True Story................ Went for a ramble yesterday with my dog and a couple of pals. Weather was foul so we donned our Goretex walking boots, gaiters and waterproof jackets. I always carry a stick when walking, helps with the balance you know. We had been out about an hour when we came upon a chap with a shotgun and a dog hiding in a a small cops behind a scruffy bit of netting. Looked like a wannabe SAS trainee to me dressed head to foot in camo, I thought these country sports chaps wore tweeds and such. Anyway to cut a long story short this bastion of country sports decided to berate me and my pals for spoiling his pigeon shooting. Had I not noticed his decoys set out in the next field. For those that don't know these are like the plastic ducks the grandchildren have in the bath but in the shape of pigeons. How dare I have a loose dog with me. What the heck did I think I was doing walking on the fields where he shot, I'm lucky he had not shot me or my dog. Apparently he would be in his rights to shoot my dog if it chased the sheep. I queried with him the logic of decoying on a grass ley in February but he looked at me as if I was barmy and continued to lecture me on the right to roam and what a rum lot us ramblers are. I could stand it no longer...................... I told him in no uncertain terms that he was on my farm and that the permission he had was with my neighbour who within the hour would I guarantee have withdrawn said permission. Who the hell do these shooters think they are. A tongue planted firmly in a cheek i reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) In my spare time, when not shooting, I work as an unpaid volunteer on one of Britain's historic ships, preserving and operating it for the benefit of all. I used to hang around on that circuit. Which ship? Edited February 28, 2010 by Bleeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Firstly, with the C.R.o.W act, Ramblers have as much right to be out and about as we do - get used to it. Secondly, I'm sorry, but I've worked in the Countryside my entire life. What I am reading hear is hypocritical tripe. Let's get this sorted. Just because you trample over a filed every other Sunday and shoot a couple of rabbits, does by no mean make you 'A champion of the countryside'. The (and it's a sad truth) the majority of shooters are interested in (wait for it) shooting, and when your nose is brought to the grindstone, I'm afraid to say the majority of sportsmen are nowhere to be found. Pest control is an important sector of countryside conservation, but no more so than dry-stone walling, hedgerow planting, wood clearance and a plethora of other activities I can bring up. Working as Both an Underkeeper, a Woodsman and being very actively involved in dozens of different local community projects, I can tell you this as a fact - I've seen more help from Ramblers, Birdwatchers, and generally people with no interest in shooting (not to say, anti-shooting), then I have seen from the likes of you lot. Furthermore, in my lifetime I've had more issues with shooters than Ramblers and nature-watchers and the like. Piles of left cartridges to take a few thousand years to decompose left at field edges, rubbish strewn about the place (fishermen are awful for this), Piles of rabbits and pigeons stuffed into some woodland edge, stupidly placed snares with Cats, dogs, and god knows what left in them (found weeks later by me), poachers, illegal shooting, unethical and dangerous shooting, are all things I've had to contend with. So, just for a second, try and explain what you lot do that make you so superior. The options on this forum are too often bigoted and closed minded, and it ****** me off as you lot are what's meant to be representing what little right we have left to the shooting world, and against the constantly scrutinising eye of the public, and the 'Quick fix' resolutions of our government, I don't think we've got much hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popgun Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 In Jan we were beating the last drive of the day when this old boy dressed in rambling gear walked between the flushing point and the guns there was no right of way there i went forward to try to move him on but he was having none of it and walked right along in front of the gun line he said if he got shot he would sue the shoot so we had to try to hold the birds in untill the idiot had gone not easy in Jan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 I used to hang around on that circuit. Which ship?s.s.Shieldhall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 next time, why not have a word with the ramblers and see if they want a rabbit or a few pigeons. you never know what might come from it. i love going for a ramble by myself. im carefull when im out, but like to just put my boots on and go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Firstly, with the C.R.o.W act, Ramblers have as much right to be out and about as we do - get used to it. Secondly, I'm sorry, but I've worked in the Countryside my entire life. What I am reading hear is hypocritical tripe. Let's get this sorted. Just because you trample over a filed every other Sunday and shoot a couple of rabbits, does by no mean make you 'A champion of the countryside'. The (and it's a sad truth) the majority of shooters are interested in (wait for it) shooting, and when your nose is brought to the grindstone, I'm afraid to say the majority of sportsmen are nowhere to be found. Pest control is an important sector of countryside conservation, but no more so than dry-stone walling, hedgerow planting, wood clearance and a plethora of other activities I can bring up. Working as Both an Underkeeper, a Woodsman and being very actively involved in dozens of different local community projects, I can tell you this as a fact - I've seen more help from Ramblers, Birdwatchers, and generally people with no interest in shooting (not to say, anti-shooting), then I have seen from the likes of you lot. Furthermore, in my lifetime I've had more issues with shooters than Ramblers and nature-watchers and the like. Piles of left cartridges to take a few thousand years to decompose left at field edges, rubbish strewn about the place (fishermen are awful for this), Piles of rabbits and pigeons stuffed into some woodland edge, stupidly placed snares with Cats, dogs, and god knows what left in them (found weeks later by me), poachers, illegal shooting, unethical and dangerous shooting, are all things I've had to contend with. So, just for a second, try and explain what you lot do that make you so superior. The options on this forum are too often bigoted and closed minded, and it ****** me off as you lot are what's meant to be representing what little right we have left to the shooting world, and against the constantly scrutinising eye of the public, and the 'Quick fix' resolutions of our government, I don't think we've got much hope. A bit harsh painting us all with the same brush but I do agree with several of your points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwullie Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Firstly, with the C.R.o.W act, Ramblers have as much right to be out and about as we do - get used to it. Secondly, I'm sorry, but I've worked in the Countryside my entire life. What I am reading hear is hypocritical tripe. Let's get this sorted. Just because you trample over a filed every other Sunday and shoot a couple of rabbits, does by no mean make you 'A champion of the countryside'. The (and it's a sad truth) the majority of shooters are interested in (wait for it) shooting, and when your nose is brought to the grindstone, I'm afraid to say the majority of sportsmen are nowhere to be found. Pest control is an important sector of countryside conservation, but no more so than dry-stone walling, hedgerow planting, wood clearance and a plethora of other activities I can bring up. Working as Both an Underkeeper, a Woodsman and being very actively involved in dozens of different local community projects, I can tell you this as a fact - I've seen more help from Ramblers, Birdwatchers, and generally people with no interest in shooting (not to say, anti-shooting), then I have seen from the likes of you lot. Furthermore, in my lifetime I've had more issues with shooters than Ramblers and nature-watchers and the like. Piles of left cartridges to take a few thousand years to decompose left at field edges, rubbish strewn about the place (fishermen are awful for this), Piles of rabbits and pigeons stuffed into some woodland edge, stupidly placed snares with Cats, dogs, and god knows what left in them (found weeks later by me), poachers, illegal shooting, unethical and dangerous shooting, are all things I've had to contend with. So, just for a second, try and explain what you lot do that make you so superior. The options on this forum are too often bigoted and closed minded, and it ****** me off as you lot are what's meant to be representing what little right we have left to the shooting world, and against the constantly scrutinising eye of the public, and the 'Quick fix' resolutions of our government, I don't think we've got much hope. Oh what giftee he could gie'us To see oorsell's as ithers see us Robert Burns (translation available) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Bleeh, I was walking and birdwatching long before I was shooting, and still thought they were a bunch of tossers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Firstly, with the C.R.o.W act, Ramblers have as much right to be out and about as we do - get used to it. Secondly, I'm sorry, but I've worked in the Countryside my entire life. What I am reading hear is hypocritical tripe. Let's get this sorted. Just because you trample over a filed every other Sunday and shoot a couple of rabbits, does by no mean make you 'A champion of the countryside'. The (and it's a sad truth) the majority of shooters are interested in (wait for it) shooting, and when your nose is brought to the grindstone, I'm afraid to say the majority of sportsmen are nowhere to be found. Pest control is an important sector of countryside conservation, but no more so than dry-stone walling, hedgerow planting, wood clearance and a plethora of other activities I can bring up. Working as Both an Underkeeper, a Woodsman and being very actively involved in dozens of different local community projects, I can tell you this as a fact - I've seen more help from Ramblers, Birdwatchers, and generally people with no interest in shooting (not to say, anti-shooting), then I have seen from the likes of you lot. Furthermore, in my lifetime I've had more issues with shooters than Ramblers and nature-watchers and the like. Piles of left cartridges to take a few thousand years to decompose left at field edges, rubbish strewn about the place (fishermen are awful for this), Piles of rabbits and pigeons stuffed into some woodland edge, stupidly placed snares with Cats, dogs, and god knows what left in them (found weeks later by me), poachers, illegal shooting, unethical and dangerous shooting, are all things I've had to contend with. So, just for a second, try and explain what you lot do that make you so superior. The options on this forum are too often bigoted and closed minded, and it ****** me off as you lot are what's meant to be representing what little right we have left to the shooting world, and against the constantly scrutinising eye of the public, and the 'Quick fix' resolutions of our government, I don't think we've got much hope. I'm going to have a lie down now, I find myself agreeing with you, mind, I have been a bit if colour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) Re the sea: my company pays a fortune in harbour dues, pilotage and light dues, all of which are ploughed back into facilities and safety of navigation for all. In my spare time, when not shooting, I work as an unpaid volunteer on one of Britain's historic ships, preserving and operating it for the benefit of all. Re roads: All my family's cars pay a fortune in road fund licences and insurance, largely, as far as I can see, for the benefit of all road users. Re the countryside: admittedly not a lot however I do shoot at various straw bale shoots which, presumably, helps to keep country people employed. But, unlike ramblers, I don't make a point of telling anybody else what they can and can't do. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy walking my dog in the country whilst observing legalities. There are aspects of coutryside management I don't like but I stay schtum knowing that these activities are a part of coutryside management. Point one, that's compulsory, so doesn't count, Point 2 that's fair and commendable Point 3 so do we all, and it does not give me any more right than another to use said highway, even if that user does not pay tax, ie walker cyclist, horseist etc I am unsure that all ramblers tell evrybody what they can and can't do, anymore than all shooters are fluffy bunny killers just for the sake of it Edited February 28, 2010 by fullbore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 I'm going to have a lie down now, I find myself agreeing with you, mind, I have been a bit if colour anyway i do actually agree with alot of what bleeh said (shock, i know). alot of hunters think the countryside is theirs and theirs alone, and that they have some sort of god given right to run all over it. before i moved back to town the only people i had trouble with on our land was the local fox hunt and idiots out lamping, since then ive had farmers telling me about problems theyve had with people shooting and guys out with dogs (both trespassing), ive yet to hear one complain about the day-glo brigade anoying them though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 True Story................ Went for a ramble yesterday with my dog and a couple of pals. Weather was foul so we donned our Goretex walking boots, gaiters and waterproof jackets. I always carry a stick when walking, helps with the balance you know. We had been out about an hour when we came upon a chap with a shotgun and a dog hiding in a a small cops behind a scruffy bit of netting. Looked like a wannabe SAS trainee to me dressed head to foot in camo, I thought these country sports chaps wore tweeds and such. Anyway to cut a long story short this bastion of country sports decided to berate me and my pals for spoiling his pigeon shooting. Had I not noticed his decoys set out in the next field. For those that don't know these are like the plastic ducks the grandchildren have in the bath but in the shape of pigeons. How dare I have a loose dog with me. What the heck did I think I was doing walking on the fields where he shot, I'm lucky he had not shot me or my dog. Apparently he would be in his rights to shoot my dog if it chased the sheep. I queried with him the logic of decoying on a grass ley in February but he looked at me as if I was barmy and continued to lecture me on the right to roam and what a rum lot us ramblers are. I could stand it no longer...................... I told him in no uncertain terms that he was on my farm and that the permission he had was with my neighbour who within the hour would I guarantee have withdrawn said permission. Who the hell do these shooters think they are. That reads as if was written by everyones favourite Daily Mail columnist Liz Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) Point one, that's compulsory, so doesn't count,Point 2 that's fair and commendable Point 3 so do we all, and it does not give me any more right than another to use said highway, even if that user does not pay tax, ie walker cyclist, horseist etc I am unsure that all ramblers tell evrybody what they can and can't do, anymore than all shooters are fluffy bunny killers just for the sake of it Thank you for your considered reply. Within the disciplines and constraints of this forum I think we'll have to agree to disagree, we could veer seriously off topic. By the way, seriously agree with your avatar, nice one. Edited February 28, 2010 by Chris Bb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Thank you for your considered reply. Within the disciplines and constraints of this forum I think we'll have to agree to disagree, we could veer seriously off topic. By the way, seriously agree with your avatar, nice one. You're not all bad then you have a good evening, and debate is good, and good fun Take care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Potter Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Firstly, with the C.R.o.W act, Ramblers have as much right to be out and about as we do - get used to it. Secondly, I'm sorry, but I've worked in the Countryside my entire life. What I am reading hear is hypocritical tripe. Let's get this sorted. Just because you trample over a filed every other Sunday and shoot a couple of rabbits, does by no mean make you 'A champion of the countryside'. The (and it's a sad truth) the majority of shooters are interested in (wait for it) shooting, and when your nose is brought to the grindstone, I'm afraid to say the majority of sportsmen are nowhere to be found. Pest control is an important sector of countryside conservation, but no more so than dry-stone walling, hedgerow planting, wood clearance and a plethora of other activities I can bring up. Working as Both an Underkeeper, a Woodsman and being very actively involved in dozens of different local community projects, I can tell you this as a fact - I've seen more help from Ramblers, Birdwatchers, and generally people with no interest in shooting (not to say, anti-shooting), then I have seen from the likes of you lot. Furthermore, in my lifetime I've had more issues with shooters than Ramblers and nature-watchers and the like. Piles of left cartridges to take a few thousand years to decompose left at field edges, rubbish strewn about the place (fishermen are awful for this), Piles of rabbits and pigeons stuffed into some woodland edge, stupidly placed snares with Cats, dogs, and god knows what left in them (found weeks later by me), poachers, illegal shooting, unethical and dangerous shooting, are all things I've had to contend with. So, just for a second, try and explain what you lot do that make you so superior. The options on this forum are too often bigoted and closed minded, and it ****** me off as you lot are what's meant to be representing what little right we have left to the shooting world, and against the constantly scrutinising eye of the public, and the 'Quick fix' resolutions of our government, I don't think we've got much hope. Bit broad brush but got to agree with most of it, all these phrases like digging mass graves and (from other threads) oxygen thieves which I think (hope) are not serious, do portray us fieldsports men/women as narrow minded, blood thirsty reactionary idiots. Mr Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 told you, if they become shirty offer them a few birds or a rabbit if you have any. they might se you differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonySmith Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Look ok to me............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Look ok to me............... What are the chance of these guys moving out the way of a car then?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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