bullet dodger Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Programme on last night , managed to catch the last 10 mins, about urban Foxes ( in London I believe ). One old guy repairs damaged foxes and then releases them ( knowing full well its illegal ), old couple have " fox cam " in the back yard and feed the damn things, one guy hates them so much he has been baiting them for awhile in his back garden and called in a professional controller. They stake out the back garden from the bathroom window. The controller has an Anshutz ( 22lr ? ) with a " military spec night vision scope " and shoots the vixen when it comes for food. The dog comes in later to find the vixen and suffers the same fate. Now I presume this controller would of had to get police permission to shoot a firearm in a built up area ? The backstop was the lawn as he was shooting down from the window. The guy knew what he was doing but I was just surprised he was allowed to cull foxes by this method in the middle of suburbia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 It would be fine if you had an open FAC, and you ***** it as being safe. Not sure I would want to shoot an lr close to houses though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 The program was a repeat, but I still enjoyed it the second time around. I'm not sure if you can shoot a 22LR in a garden, even if you have an open ticket, like I have. It would be good to have the facts on this though, as I have a mate who is having problems with foxes on his allotments. The problem is that they are very near houses. Anyone else have any thoughts regarding this? Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 i do it in south london all the time open fac insurance full safety assesment clean back stop bait area for 2 nights 3rd night its all over . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 i remember seeing it a few years ago. looked nice and safe - big garden with high walls and he was shooting from a first floor bathroom window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Saw this program a few years ago, the shooter seemed quite competent and to be honest I don't think it would have been televised if it was illegal in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abiteachuck Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) The program was a repeat, but I still enjoyed it the second time around. I'm not sure if you can shoot a 22LR in a garden, even if you have an open ticket, like I have. It would be good to have the facts on this though, as I have a mate who is having problems with foxes on his allotments. The problem is that they are very near houses. Anyone else have any thoughts regarding this? Steve. I shot 1 with mi .223 out of the conservatary doors 2 am u should hav heard the crack, but where I live its legal and safe. As for this other case you must be 50mts from the centre of a public highway open ticket or not. keith PS thats any firearm or shotgun Edited February 28, 2010 by abiteachuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 The 50 meter from a public highway law only applies if you cause stress or disturbance. You can shoot right alongside a road aslong as you are on permission, but if someone complains, it can land you in the ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abiteachuck Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 The 50 meter from a public highway law only applies if you cause stress or disturbance.You can shoot right alongside a road aslong as you are on permission, but if someone complains, it can land you in the ****. OK. you may be right not sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) OK. you may be right not sure I am, I promise EDIT: Sorry to blow my own trumpet. I had to shoot a fox in a garden in town, with my shotgun, and I went through it all with the police before hand. As long as you phone them first, it should be fine. But if it is one bang in the middle of the night, it wont wake people up enough to realise what has happened Edited February 28, 2010 by SSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Gents You are misinformed. The distance from the centre of a highway is 50 FEET not Metres as stated. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Webber is right, it is feet, sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abiteachuck Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 I am, I promise EDIT: Sorry to blow my own trumpet. I had to shoot a fox in a garden in town, with my shotgun, and I went through it all with the police before hand. As long as you phone them first, it should be fine. But if it is one bang in the middle of the night, it wont wake people up enough to realise what has happened Hi, I`am not arguing but you are wrong. Its not 50 meters its 50 ft, and section 161 highways act1980 makes it an offence to discharge a firearm 50ft of the centre of a highway if it has vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse who`s right ? no offence. keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Hi, I`am not arguing but you are wrong. Its not 50 meters its 50 ft, and section 161 highways act1980 makes it an offence to discharge a firearm 50ft of the centre of a highway if it has vehicular rights without lawful authority or excuse who`s right ? no offence. keith Shooting permission is lawful authority mate you said it yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abiteachuck Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Shooting permission is lawful authority mate you said it yourself OK SORTED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyCM Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 As this activity is highly planned, making use of - lighting, existing PIR (in garden or neighbouring property - as early warning) or own mobile lighting - dedicated bait - NOT cat food - restricted shooting area for backstop - either existing or engineered - timed to suit fox activity / neighbouring movement / wife !!! - patience & restraint & being in tune at close range with any animals that show up - head shots so they drop on the spot not for the faint hearted eh cheers AndyCM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 It's an old program and as others have said it's 50 ft. Highways Act 1980 section 161 (2) 2. If a person without lawful authority or excuse; (a) lights any fire on or over a highway which consists of or comprises a carriageway; or ( discharges any firearm or firework within 50 feet of the centre of such a highway, and in consequence a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered, that person is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale. Highways Act 1980 section 161 (2) For the purposes of this law, (Section 161 (2) of the Highway Act 1980) a highway is restricted to a public right of way for the passage of vehicles and does NOT include footpaths, cycle tracks or bridleways. There are no issues at all shooting in the circumstances of this program! He did everything required and does not need to ask the police..he tells them!! It's a TV show, bits were edited!! ATB!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggone Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Programme on last night , managed to catch the last 10 mins, about urban Foxes ( in London I believe ). One old guy repairs damaged foxes and then releases them ( knowing full well its illegal ), old couple have " fox cam " in the back yard and feed the damn things, one guy hates them so much he has been baiting them for awhile in his back garden and called in a professional controller. They stake out the back garden from the bathroom window. The controller has an Anshutz ( 22lr ? ) with a " military spec night vision scope " and shoots the vixen when it comes for food. The dog comes in later to find the vixen and suffers the same fate.Now I presume this controller would of had to get police permission to shoot a firearm in a built up area ? The backstop was the lawn as he was shooting down from the window. The guy knew what he was doing but I was just surprised he was allowed to cull foxes by this method in the middle of suburbia. What makes you think it's illegal to release a fox, non indigenous species, no, but a fox?? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 I always thought it illegal to re-release vermin Never known for sure though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albob Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 if it was the same as the one i seen(seems so),the guy in it was a professional pest controller. al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggone Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 I always thought it illegal to re-release vermin Never known for sure though Just googled the question and came up with this thread on another forum, seems we're not the only ones to get our necks in a knot when discussing the law. Enjoy http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/m...-release-3.html Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 It's an old program and as others have said it's 50 ft. Highways Act 1980 section 161 (2) 2. If a person without lawful authority or excuse; (a) lights any fire on or over a highway which consists of or comprises a carriageway; or ( discharges any firearm or firework within 50 feet of the centre of such a highway, and in consequence a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered, that person is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale. Highways Act 1980 section 161 (2) For the purposes of this law, (Section 161 (2) of the Highway Act 1980) a highway is restricted to a public right of way for the passage of vehicles and does NOT include footpaths, cycle tracks or bridleways. There are no issues at all shooting in the circumstances of this program! He did everything required and does not need to ask the police..he tells them!! It's a TV show, bits were edited!! ATB!! These are the key words...Interrupted ot Endangered. Unless your shooting causes someone to be interrupted or puts them in danger then you can discharge a weapon within 50 feet of a highway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Gents You are misinformed. The distance from the centre of a highway is 50 FEET not Metres as stated. webber And only applies to England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollysp2 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 HERE IT IS!!That old boy an his mate that looks after them an lets them go I don't think there a full shilling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Gents You are misinformed. The distance from the centre of a highway is 50 FEET not Metres as stated. webber But, where is the centre exactly? A line running down the middle laterally or a single point half way acrossand half way from end to end? Anyway, I thought the program was a superb insight into human behaviour. They must have spent ages looking for a location where all the residents were barking AND they got Jim Royle to do a walk on part as the assistant fox rescue officer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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