Death penalty. Yes or No?

[Raja Clavata]

yes in principle but with so many caveats that it's a no in practice.

[inthedark]

Kysco - good example. Anyone remember the name of the last person to be hung in Britain? It was a woman, now beleived to be innocent.

[stokie]

When engand joined The do gooders in Brussels they signed a deal that this subject could never be voted on again .

 

But my vote would be hang em shoot em or inject em . There are some people that are no good in any society be it modern or third world .

 

If a crime is so heanous as to warrant the death penalty and guilt was proved by dna or other scientific evidence then what is the point of trying to reabilitate the offender . Giving them all the luxuries in life and only taking away their freedom and right to roam

[ME]

Lethal injection ? Pah ! Far too namby pamby

 

I vote stoning

[kdubya]

Kysco - good example. Anyone remember the name of the last person to be hung in Britain? It was a woman, now beleived to be innocent.

 

 

here you go

 

http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/ruth.html

[Beretta28g]

there is the death penalty still in use in this country for two crimes, Treason , in or out of was, and im not joking but settin fire to haystacks is still a hangable offence.........

[GW80]

Kysco - good example. Anyone remember the name of the last person to be hung in Britain? It was a woman, now beleived to be innocent.

I believe it was a woman called Ruth Ellis.

Edited March 4, 2010 by GW80

[kdubya]

I believe it was a woman called Frances Kidder, hung i Maidstone.

 

wrong it was ruth ellis

[Fat Dog]

I replied no, i personally don't believe in the death penatly, and i am pretty right wing. Too much room for human error in judging and jury's today! However i do believe in harsher deterents like life meaning life and no parole for reapeat sexual or voilent offenders!!

 

Though I do have a leaning towards the death penalty I have to agree GW. And dont make life easy for them either with video consoles, tvs etc. Chain gangs and hard graft for the rest of their days. ( and if they dont work, hang them )

[inthedark]

there is the death penalty still in use in this country for two crimes, Treason , in or out of was, and im not joking but settin fire to haystacks is still a hangable offence.........

 

Used to treason and piracy, both now repealed.

[MM]

Kysco - good example. Anyone remember the name of the last person to be hung in Britain? It was a woman, now beleived to be innocent.

 

 

Ruth Ellis. think she shot her boyfriend or something like that.

[ME]

I dont do "bad stuff", I pay my taxes, I obey the law, I am not in the wrong place at the wrong time. I have nothing to fear from there being a death penalty.

 

So, the occasional one or two might slip through the net and get noosed up by mistake, I would just see it as cleansing.

[chris64]

Life shud mean life for murder , What this country needs is some one like sheriff joe arpiao of arizona,Soft on inmates he's not

[inthedark]

I dont do "bad stuff", I pay my taxes, I obey the law, I am not in the wrong place at the wrong time. I have nothing to fear from there being a death penalty.

 

So, the occasional one or two might slip through the net and get noosed up by mistake, I would just see it as cleansing.

 

You're a hard person, ME

[Nial]

If the death penalty can be shown to be a deterrant (and I've seen graphs that would imply

that it is big time) then logically and morally it should be re-introduced.

 

 

If the death penalty saves 10 innocent lives a year but costs 0.5 wrong convictions a year what's

the right thing to do?

 

 

 

Nial.

[ME]

You're a hard person, ME

 

 

I prefer "realistic".

 

If people spend their time brawling outside pubs, beating up women, taking drugs, stealing cars, hanging around on street corners, signing on whilst working, raping, killing, avoiding taxes, drink driving, etc etc then that's their choice. I DON'T so I have nothing to fear from the law or mis-carriages of justice.

[Evil Elvis]

Terminate them , how many of our hard earned pennies have paid for the rippers upkeep?

[ME]

Terminate them , how many of our hard earned pennies have paid for the rippers upkeep?

 

 

Exactly, you would only have to do a few weeks of it and the crims would start thinking twice and the really stupid ones wouldnt have to as they would be history.

 

Add in a bit of birching for the lesser crimes and the crime rates would fall over night

[inthedark]

I prefer "realistic".

 

If people spend their time brawling outside pubs, beating up women, taking drugs, stealing cars, hanging around on street corners, signing on whilst working, raping, killing, avoiding taxes, drink driving, etc etc then that's their choice. I DON'T so I have nothing to fear from the law or mis-carriages of justice.

 

Now that's what I call an accurate overview of modern Britain! Are you a journalist?

[Vipa]

If the death penalty can be shown to be a deterrant (and I've seen graphs that would imply

that it is big time) then logically and morally it should be re-introduced.

 

 

If the death penalty saves 10 innocent lives a year but costs 0.5 wrong convictions a year what's

the right thing to do?

 

 

 

Nial.

 

Do you know.... it was a similar argument the anti-gun lobby used to force the hand gun ban on us in the 90s. The argument was that, if removing guns from private ownership saves one life then taking away the legitamate sport of 60,000 law abiding citizens is a worthwhile scrifice for them to take. It is flawed logic, maybe we should ban cars, they are responsible for many many deaths, or golf... there were a couple of deaths last year where people had been hit by a golf ball.... Wrong convictions should never result in the ultimate penalty, ever! No number of wrong convictions is acceptable if that wrong conviction ends up in death

Edited March 4, 2010 by Vipa

[Vipa]

Exactly, you would only have to do a few weeks of it and the crims would start thinking twice and the really stupid ones wouldnt have to as they would be history.

 

Add in a bit of birching for the lesser crimes and the crime rates would fall over night

 

So why then does it not work in the USA where plenty of states are quite happy to pass and carry out the death sentence?

[Vipa]

I dont do "bad stuff", I pay my taxes, I obey the law, I am not in the wrong place at the wrong time. I have nothing to fear from there being a death penalty.

 

So, the occasional one or two might slip through the net and get noosed up by mistake, I would just see it as cleansing.

 

But none of that would necesarily mean you wouldn't be mistakenly accused of something! Where is 'the wrong place' and when is 'the wrong time?' You don't have to be a bad person to be accused of doing bad things!

 

If anyone is unsure about the death penalty watch The Green Mile.... I know it's hollywood but it will really make you think long and hard about killing people based on 'evidence.' Remember also that humans are a very arrogant race, we are adamant that DNA evidence is infallable because we think we know it all yet there are scientists coming out of the woodwork who would dispute that just as there is now evidence to suggest that 2 people can have identical fingerprints, highly unlikely yes but possible all the same.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Vipa

[ME]

But none of that would necesarily mean you wouldn't be mistakenly accused of something! Where is 'the wrong place' and when is 'the wrong time?' You don't have to be a bad person to be accused of doing bad things!

 

 

I would be prepared to take the risk.

[Nial]

It is flawed logic,

 

Then explain why it's flawed with reasoning.

 

 

Wrong convictions should never result in the ultimate penalty, ever!

 

 

Why not.

 

Do you condemn 100 innocent people to death every year because you're afraid of hanging 1 innocent one

every other year?

 

That's 100 innocent deaths per year on your hands.

 

 

Nial.

[RC45]

Add in a bit of birching for the lesser crimes and the crime rates would fall over night

 

 

I think birching would be a better option.

 

Birching for everything from speeding to murder