silverhawk Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Cant believe what i just saw on youtube is this guy stupid? breaking the law himself then telling the people how to do it on the internet.Great just what we need for a complete ban on semi shotguns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzrZfbm4AUQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william1 Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Cant believe what i just saw on youtube is this guy stupid? breaking the law himself then telling the people how to do it on the internet.Great just what we need for a complete ban on semi shotguns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzrZfbm4AUQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Granted it's not too smart, but if you wanted to be really picky the letter of the law states "has a fixed magazine not holding more than two cartridges" and he hasn't altered the magazine capacity in any way. However I'm sure his FEO wouldn't see it that way. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 I don't believe you will find anything illegal about what he did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 I don't believe you will find anything illegal about what he did! I also thought this. The law specifies the magazine capacity(?). This can also be done with some Browning semi - auto's too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted April 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 (edited) Yep my bad law states mag,but Its not worth the risk better off apply for a fac atleast u get the full mag capacity Edited April 10, 2010 by silverhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Honestly, what is the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 It just annoys me when people try to get around the law with little tricks. I can just see him now, trying to do that in a hurry, with a million pigeons flying overhead and by the time it's ready, they've gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 The fact is that many section 2 semi's chambered for 3.5" magnums are also crimped for 2 x 3.5" magnums and you can (theroretically) squeeze 3 x 2.5" cartridges into the magazine... Then what! Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 you can see that the 3rd cart is not in the magazine.but i would not do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 I actually think its more relevant that hes loading his gun inside as for the 4 shells he loads,how many times do you actually need the third shot?without needing a fourth? BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 The fact is that many section 2 semi's chambered for 3.5" magnums are also crimped for 2 x 3.5" magnums and you can (theroretically) squeeze 3 x 2.5" cartridges into the magazine... Then what! Alex Nothing theoretical about it, you can do it. My extremawill hold 3 2 1/2" cartridge in it's magazine. It is a section 2 held on a shotgun certificate and has the prooof certificate with it. By Ghost loading as shown on you tube means I could get 5 shots in it. But as Harfordwmj says where is the advantage? it takes so long to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 It's basically highlighting yet another grey area in firearms legislation. The example I gave above re: loading 2.5" cartridges into a magazine crimped for 3.5" cartridges could be taken to extreme. Those with access to a press could cut down some hulls and homeload some 1.5" cartridges and load several into a standard section 2 magazine. So then you get into the definition of 'capacity'. I'd suggest that, given the 3.5" vs 2.5" example above, capacity assumes cartridges of the specification that the gun is chambered for. Loading stubby cartridges could be construed as extending the capacity of the magazine... but I doubt it has been tested in court either way?! Either way, although loading 3 instead of 2 is hardly a risk to public safety, as has been pointed out, exploiting a grey area could be seen as a breach of trust by your FEO and flaunting it on Youtube is almost asking for a day in court to become a test case! Rather him than me! Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Nothing theoretical about it, you can do it. Yes, like I said, you can... Theoretically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 What is daft is the 2+1 Law! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 What is daft is the 2+1 Law! I agree there is another video of a guy in the sates that shows you how to push a dowel (wooden rod) out of a magazine some states limit magazine or something to 5 and buy taking the end cap off and force loading carts you can fit 7 or 8 in!!! Blame the idiot who's actions led to the law or get an FAC but don't risk everyone being limited to a single barrel single chamber gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 I dont think there is anything wrong with this , and I say that because, he will be taking so long to do this 4 cartridge trick you will have already loaded 3 cartridges and killed 2 or 3 birds, while he misses the flurry and shoots nothing Its no good really in combat, because of all the haslte the 4th round is, better off with 3, a true higher capacity shotgun has an increased magazine, and as it has been said, he technicaly didnt touch that Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 I agree there is another video of a guy in the sates that shows you how to push a dowel (wooden rod) out of a magazine some states limit magazine or something to 5 and buy taking the end cap off and force loading carts you can fit 7 or 8 in!!! Blame the idiot who's actions led to the law or get an FAC but don't risk everyone being limited to a single barrel single chamber gun You mean the Chief Constable who let Michael Ryan have the tools I assume B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 I agree there is another video of a guy in the sates that shows you how to push a dowel (wooden rod) out of a magazine some states limit magazine or something to 5 and buy taking the end cap off and force loading carts you can fit 7 or 8 in!!! I think the situation in the US is slightly different... they don't have our capacity restrictions on the guns but they do share our capacity restrictions on certain prey. Like us, they are only allowed a mag capacity of 2 when shooting duck for example, hence it's common for semi auto/pump guns to be supplied with removable magazine plugs that limit the magazine capacity. You can remove them easily enough but you have to put them back in when shooting duck (and other applicable species). If you are caught by a ranger without it whilst shooting those species you are in the poo! It's the same for quite a few countries I think. Beretta, for example, supplies its FAC guns with a plastic rod in the magazine. Other guns, or old guns where no plug exists it's common to find a bit of home made dowel cut to length and stuck in the magazine so the shotgun complies with state game regulations. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 You mean the Chief Constable who let Michael Ryan have the tools I assume B) Didn't the constable who signed off on one of the guns lose a parent in the massacre? I may have my facts wrong on that one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Militia Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 What is daft is the 2+1 Law! A man who speaks some sense. To be fair, the guy is quite dense, he is just asking to be busted. Whenever I post me on youtube with guns I make sure that: a) they are my own guns I am not doing anything dodgy with them like trying to load 3 carts in the magazine. c) Show the camera that they are empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 I think the situation in the US is slightly different... they don't have our capacity restrictions on the guns but they do share our capacity restrictions on certain prey. Like us, they are only allowed a mag capacity of 2 when shooting duck for example, hence it's common for semi auto/pump guns to be supplied with removable magazine plugs that limit the magazine capacity. You can remove them easily enough but you have to put them back in when shooting duck (and other applicable species). If you are caught by a ranger without it whilst shooting those species you are in the poo! It's the same for quite a few countries I think. Beretta, for example, supplies its FAC guns with a plastic rod in the magazine. Other guns, or old guns where no plug exists it's common to find a bit of home made dowel cut to length and stuck in the magazine so the shotgun complies with state game regulations. Alex Nice to see the yanks are taken on their trust wheras over here we are all treat like raving loonies thanks to the do-good brigade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 yes but if they are caught with out the plug in, they are in big trouble.when we shoot duck on the family farms over there we all ways make sure the plug is in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 technically the law states magaine, which the extra cartridge isnt in. he says in the comments that his feo has ok'd it, then again considering the amount of **** feo's tell us i wouldnt go by any of it. if you find a loophole, good on you, just dont post it on youtube so it can be closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 The bit where he puts the 4th cartridge could be deemed a magazine, as per the dictionary; "a chamber for holding a supply of cartridges to be fed automatically to the breech of a gun." I seriously think he is breaking the law here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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