al4x Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 **** they are now saying 25 injured as well as the dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 I'm not passing judgement on the debate or the points raised, but at a time like this we would do well to think carefully about how the things we say could be construed before we commit them to the web. Just saying is all ZB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space_Man Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Number of differing reports "'Then a man carrying a rifle with a large telescopic sight on it ran past just feet away and fired again." "'There were four shots and I looked round to see the taxi driver lying on the pavement." Then "I saw a man with a large shotgun and his windscreen was smashed" "Dr Barry Walker, who certified a number of the victims as dead, says he has "never seen shotgun wounds like this". Plus "Whitehaven councillor John Kane says: "I did know Derrick Bird. I would describe him as a very placid man. Very quiet and someone who kept himself to himself. I was not aware that he was a gun owner. He was a very quiet person." Sounds like 2 weapons involved Sympathy for all involved, but let's hope they were illegal guns....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddan Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 BBC Prime minister questions page says there will be a statement about it tomorrow and at this stage they do not know if he was a 'licensed gunman' . Don't like the term but that aside, they would know in minutes that he was/wasn't. I guess he was and they are preparing how to deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 A new coallition government witht he lib dems, which wants to seem to be taking action and changing things. A massacre in cumbria with a potentially licensed weapon? This is a bad day for shooting. Much worse for the friends and families and my thoughts go out to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 If he wasn't he still got his hands on one and a fair few cartridges, so lets hope he didn't know where a friend kept his keys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanibaby Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 One of our RFDs has in the past (2007) sold this guy a gun and metallic ammo, so he is (or was) licensed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 well thats the news we didn't want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shot shot Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 One of our RFDs has in the past (2007) sold this guy a gun and metallic ammo, so he is (or was) licensed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricko Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 i have friends in the area my mate was working in the next street in a bookies, got a text to say he's ok a very very tragic situation such a lovely part of the world brought into the spotlight for all the wrong reasons terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antuk99 Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Guns don't kill people Criminals kill people My sincere condolences go to the bereaved RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 (edited) BBC Prime minister questions page says there will be a statement about it tomorrow and at this stage they do not know if he was a 'licensed gunman' . Don't like the term but that aside, they would know in minutes that he was/wasn't. I guess he was and they are preparing how to deal with it. Sounds plausible... I suspect they would have been VERY quick to get it over to the media that the firearms were held illegally if that had been the case.. Sounds very much like they are giving themselves breathing space to get all the facts in and to put together a response to the (sadly rightful) public backlash that will ensue.. The argument after the disaster at Dunblane was not necessarily about getting handguns off the street but was more along the lines of 'if taking handguns out of legal public ownership saves one life in the future, then losing the right to own handguns is a sacrifice shooters will have to live with!" Whether you agree with that statement or not is irrelevant, sadly it has some logic to it. The Cullen Report concluded that handguns should not be banned but the government in the face of public pressure decided not to take that advice. I hope there is not a similar pressure put on the government 'to do something' as I would hate to lose my passtimes and as stated earlier, I think it would be difficult to do although I can see things getting tougher. Let us not lose sight here though that in reality, our SGCs and FACs are really not that important in the face of the poor victims who were injured today and lost their lives and their families! Edited June 2, 2010 by Vipa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 What should concern us all is that 5 people have been murdered no doubt leaving loved ones friends and families behind along with the other possibly wounded. Leave the debate out its totally and utterly insensitive to debate what will happen to your FAC of SG on a thread about people being gunned down imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Eyewit (R4 5PM news) describes 'Huge james bond looking rifle with a massive sight on it' - 'a massive thing, how can he own a thing like that?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 What should concern us all is that 5 people have been murdered no doubt leaving loved ones friends and families behind along with the other possibly wounded. Leave the debate out its totally and utterly insensitive to debate what will happen to your FAC of SG on a thread about people being gunned down imo Obviously everyone is very upset by what has happened. But there is nothing insensitive about discussing on a shooting forum the implications this may have for the future of our sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shot shot Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 sounds like 12 dead, 25 wounded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 What should concern us all is that 5 people have been murdered no doubt leaving loved ones friends and families behind along with the other possibly wounded. Leave the debate out its totally and utterly insensitive to debate what will happen to your FAC of SG on a thread about people being gunned down imo I have to agree with this now. Any way the debate is now pointless, our political masters will do as they will, and inform us of the outcome when they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 i feel for the dead not the future of my sgc/fac i will worry about that another day ,But for now my prayers are with the familys and my heart pours out for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 (edited) 2 weapons so he may have had FAC as well as SGC this is going to linger a while, absolutely tragic incident Edited June 2, 2010 by al4x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agusta Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Yep, 12 dead, 25 wounded and a further 30 scenes being processed, 2 weapons recovered, not good news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Absolutely awful. I just don't understand how people can do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 (edited) EDIT: Just seen someone else had posted this Edited June 2, 2010 by Brad93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 EDIT: Just seen someone else had posted this 12 people killed! and a further 25 injured!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 God dam mad man he went out on a mission, why? thoughts with family and friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 BBC 1 news are reporting the incident now. They showed a short interview with Bill Harriman of BASC who made the case that banning shotguns was not an option. webber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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