JackReady Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Yup no accounting for the size of the chip on some shouldersdoc No chips on these shoulders Doc. They are as broad and as smooth as a gladiators. Slick and wide would be the words I'd use to describe them. Another fly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Amazing how the same people form the wrong impression, or jump to the wrong conclusion all the time. well my first impression was the nuisance would go away after half term Then I heard you were a THL outcast and it all started to drop into place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackReady Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) well my first impression was the nuisance would go away after half term Then I heard you were a THL outcast and it all started to drop into place How upsetting for you. I know how some people hate to have their misguided and misinformed views and opinions questioned on an open forum, and then have to try and defend them. Like is said. Amazing how the same people form the wrong impression, or jump to the wrong conclusion all the time. I've never been a member of THL. Too many dogmen, ex-dogmen and neer do wells on it for my liking. Sometimes its best just to be unassociated with a certain type of person. Edited June 9, 2010 by JackReady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Personally i'm a 22lr fan, got 3 so far and only 1 .17hmr. Don't get me wrong cos i like the .17, it just takes me a while to familiarise myself with it sometimes. I'm more used to holding over and under now with the .22's that i sometimes forget i'm doing it, and when i get behind the .17 i usually miss the first few. I'm not really bothered about riccochets either, there's nothing valuable or fragile in the field. I know this is down to personal choice but they never seem to go much further than the POI anyway, so why the fuss? The one thing i don't like about the .22's is the fact that they don't always kill cleanly, i've had several head shots that have fractured the skulls but not penetrated through into the brain, one bad one in particular had removed half its skull but left the brain intact, very good for an anatomy class if nothing else. It doesn't detract from the fact that the .22lr is one of the most versatile calibres on the market, the choice of different powered ammo alone gives it enough versatility to shoot almost anything vermin in almost all circumstances, from CB longs which carry about 30ft/lbs, to CCI velocitors which are closer to 150ft/lbs. Ultimately, the choice is personal, but for me it's .22lr. atb, gram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 The thing the HMR has over the 22lr is that it is just higher pressure and has laser beam trajectory for a HMR..the 22lr cant beat that, and as other people say, you not going to hear bang thud miss with the .17, out to 125/150 you can pretty much aim at the rabbit and not play with hold over and all the other .22lr quirks Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 The thing the HMR has over the 22lr is that it is just higher pressure and has laser beam trajectory for a HMR..the 22lr cant beat that, and as other people say, you not going to hear bang thud miss with the .17, out to 125/150 you can pretty much aim at the rabbit and not play with hold over and all the other .22lr quirks :blink: Steve Absolutely! that's what i keep forgetting tho, i guess i should get out with it more. In fact , that's what i'll do if the weather is ok tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Most people on here probably have both; ones quiet and the other is flatter shooting + harder hitting. The difference between the two financially is nothing compaired to a night out at the weekend...and you don't even remember that the next day :blink: I also believe that anything other than subsonics in a .22 defeats the purpose of the caliber! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax55 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 wouldnt be without my .22 and hmr take them both with me bunny shooting they both serve me extremely well. cant see the point in the argument of hmr vs lr. they both have their own merits and downfalls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Like I said Doc . Just cos you can doesn't necessarily mean that you should. I can only reiterate my earlier comment. Anyone that thinks a 17gn BT 17 r/f bullet is an acceptable diet for foxes needs to sit back and take a long hard look at themselves. But opinions are like buses if you wait longer enough another one is sure to come alone. HMR is a perfectly capable and humane fox round. But it has to be up close. Context again. Remember context, won't you Vim... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Is it possible to ban people just for being ******* pedantic? The answer to that seems to be yes as he has now departed the wonderful world of PW. Cheers OTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 (edited) There is no answer here and the HMR is NOT a one for all fox tool and I do not advocate it as such, but at the right time and in the right place and the right circumstances it has a place. This site met all those criteria and it was my first choice tool in this case..... These foxes had been baited to a time and position and were taken at around 45 yards from a pre arranged safe position in cover. I was prone off a bipod and in a PRIVATE location but only approx 20 yards from the nearest people in a very smart hotel garden......who had historically watched both this dog and vixen removing "ducks"! Lets leave it at that hey!! PS one is soaked, because after the 17g Ballistic tip demolished its brain it collapsed straight into the pond, the second ones brain was equally turned to jelly but decided to simply collapse on the spot and not roll into the pond! PPS site visits 13 days apart Edited June 10, 2010 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 The answer to that seems to be yes as he has now departed the wonderful world of PW. Cheers OTH and the Lord does move in mysterious ways doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 The answer to that seems to be yes as he has now departed the wonderful world of PW. Cheers OTH and the Lord does move in mysterious ways doc He'll be back under other names, he did many times on THL, I find it strange, he shoots and has some experiences, but particularly with recent events you have to wonder medically if he should have a FAC/SGC at all?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 He'll be back under other names, he did many times on THL, I find it strange, he shoots and has some experiences, but particularly with recent events you have to wonder medically if he should have a FAC/SGC at all?! I suspect you are probablly right, still it doesnt take long to winkle them out. doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 There is no answer here and the HMR is NOT a one for all fox tool and I do not advocate it as such, but at the right time and in the right place and the right circumstances it has a place. This site met all those criteria and it was my first choice tool in this case..... These foxes had been baited to a time and position and were taken at around 45 yards from a pre arranged safe position in cover. I was prone off a bipod and in a PRIVATE location but only approx 20 yards from the nearest people in a very smart hotel garden......who had historically watched both this dog and vixen removing "ducks"! Lets leave it at that hey!! PS one is soaked, because after the 17g Ballistic tip demolished its brain it collapsed straight into the pond, the second ones brain was equally turned to jelly but decided to simply collapse on the spot and not roll into the pond! PPS site visits 13 days apart cracking example of where to use one, close range foxing they are great, oh and the other bit of news is rather good as well for a harmonious forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 The truth of the matter is the HMRis good for some and not for others, cost being an issue. Around these parts alot of estates wont pay the full on bill of HMR pest control-A couple guys I know are shooting 500 plus rounds a week, so they just mix and match between the .22 and .17 so not to bankrupt their bosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 The truth of the matter is the HMRis good for some and not for others, cost being an issue. Around these parts alot of estates wont pay the full on bill of HMR pest control-A couple guys I know are shooting 500 plus rounds a week, so they just mix and match between the .22 and .17 so not to bankrupt their bosses. Thats very Very very big estates, or Very very Very bad problems..or useless shots!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 you'd have thought if they were that big and getting the vat back that the cost wouldn't be that much of an issue guess they are too tight to buy the keepers shotgun cartridges at that rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyme Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 the .17hmr is less affected by wind than the .22lr - FACT not saying it isnt, but the hmr is used over longer distances and the wind obviously comes into play more at range... that was my reasoning , i proberly should of made my view clearer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 yup so all you do is cut your distance if its really windy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 There really is (or rather was) no point posting on this thread; a classic troll thread. If you disagree that the .22 isn't as good at the HMR or any good out to 100 yards plus then prepare to have your shooting capabilities knocked good and proper. As for the ammo price comparison, what's that all about. We are shooters and sportsmen, not accountants. The HMR is more enjoyable to shoot especially at distance, and what price can you put on that. All I know is that since getting my HMR I barely use the .22RF any more, and everyone I shoot with are getting their variations in to bin their .22's and get HMRs. Troll thread from the off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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