guest1957 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Right to a large degree in the case of attempted murder - Wrong when talking of manslaughter when reckless abandonment can play a big part in a succesful conviction. Lobbing a heavy object off a building knowing that there are large groups of people below, if he had killed someone then manslaughter would be simple to prove, murder not so easy if not impossible. He got off lucky with the safe option the CPS decided to pursue him on. Had he killed someone all they would have had to prove was aggrivated criminal damage which only requires recklessness to the endangerment of life, then the constructive manslaughter conviction would have followed from that. My point was that people are trying to claim he intended death to result from his actions, something I just can't accept/believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I think they hit him a bit too hard. He's obviously got a conscience and a well defined sense of right and wrong, and maybe 6 months would have sent the same message and still had the desired effect on him. I just dont see the point of turning him out of a prison as a bandy legged smack addict, there's no win for society in that. The question now is what he will be like when he comes out. I suspect going where he's going with the people that will already be in there will turn him into another waster, whereas a community sentence could have at least provided him the opportunity to amke something about himself while every weekend being reminded of the potential consequences of his actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rover Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 However distasteful those actions may be, they are not in the same league as the actions of this nutter that essentially amount to attempted murder. Had any of those muslim protesters done anything that deliberately tried to kill or seriously injure policemen then you can be sure as hell they would be in prison now. And if our 'student' had only shouted offencive remarks and burned symbols of capitalism, like lots of other protesters that day, then nobody would have heard of him. He wasn't just badly behaved, offensive or unpleasant. He tried to kill or seriously injure people. I think he got off lightly. Since when have Rememberance Day poppies been 'symbols of capitalism'? And by the way, those actions are not just 'distasteful' but are in fact abhorrent actions of the feeble minded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Since when have Rememberance Day poppies been 'symbols of capitalism'? And by the way, those actions are not just 'distasteful' but are in fact abhorrent actions of the feeble minded. He was clearly making a comparison to what the equivalent would have been in the student protest, he wasn't saying that poppies are symbols of capitalism. Read what he said properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 He was clearly making a comparison to what the equivalent would have been in the student protest, he wasn't saying that poppies are symbols of capitalism. Read what he said properly. ^^^ What he said. Down Rover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rover Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 ^^^ What he said. Down Rover Oh, I see what he meant now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Absolutely the right decision!If it was my son then I would still have the same view!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 and so he should be locked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 30 months for throwing a fire extinguisher? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12173970 Really? The sentence is totally disproportionate and i hope will be reduced on appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I would like to see the stroppy snot nosed bleeder strung up by the balls, there comes a time when the excuse "arrogance of youth" should not be used or relied upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I would like to see the stroppy snot nosed bleeder strung up by the balls, there comes a time when the excuse "arrogance of youth" should not be used or relied upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob4586 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 :stupid: :stupid: :stupid: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 If he had been a long term dolie with a huge criminal record would you still say the sentence was a bit hard? The do-gooders could say sending the yob back inside will make him a lost cause, he had been turning his life round until this, etc etc. so a lenient sentence would be best..... One set of rules and no ifs or buts, that is what we need, that goes for all the other crimes and such we hear about where scummy boy only gets a slap on the wrist, and the MP's who think fiddling expenses is a perk of the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 It's a pity there arn't more mums around like his.(she handed him into the police),A highly commendable action. from Auntie. I bet his mum is really happy that she did that now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I bet his mum is really happy that she did that now they'll be able to drive a train up his jacksy by the time he gets out i can imagine the conversation with his mum/ councillor/ lawyer, How are you son? My bum's a bit sore, were you raped??? Well, yes, at first.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 You would have thought , if the lad had the intelligence to get into Uni..he would of had the intelligence not to throw the FI.... sorry, but he deserves all he gets..about time these Idiots were put in place instead of a slapped wrist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Red mist mistake. Tell me you never made any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 You would have thought , if the lad had the intelligence to get into Uni..he would of had the intelligence not to throw the FI.... sorry, but he deserves all he gets..about time these Idiots were put in place instead of a slapped wrist I'm sure he understands that now... i don't think he'll do it again in a hurry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob4586 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Red mist mistake. Tell me you never made any? Not to try and seriously hurt or kill someone! Can't say I ever did that really! :( Edited January 12, 2011 by rob4586 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'm sure he understands that now... i don't think he'll do it again in a hurry. Really? Wonder what he'll do if their is a riot or even a whiff of one while he is inside? I don't know this lad, never met him, and haven't followed the case that closely. I don't however feel its the best use of a £20k+ a year prison place.......It offers no rehabilitation prospects as far as i can see.... Similar situation where someone was killed http://www.metro.co.uk/home/5368-is-the-sentence-long-enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 If he had been a long term dolie with a huge criminal record would you still say the sentence was a bit hard? I think everyone deserves a chance. If you take that chance and blow it then you've got nobody to blame but yourself but if you wander from the straight and narrow for the first time then I think you deserve the be given a prod in the right direction before being shot down. I'm not defending what this lad did, it was stupid. Just put it into context though - did he lob it to try to hurt someone or did he lob it to make a point without really thinking about what could happen if it hit someone? If it's the latter then that doesn't make him a bad person, he just messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Not to try and seriously hurt or kill someone! Can't say I ever did that really! :( Seems more like a case of reckless endangerment to me. Most lads at some point or other have done something that could have gone 'the wrong way' in a moment of stupidity or when they've 'got caught up in the moment'. I'm not blameless of it. I think his was a particularly bad case of reckless endangerment and he deserves punishment, but I would have thought max whack of community service would have done him more good and taught him a hell of a lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Veering slightly off track, I think jail time should be out-sourced in a similar manner to call centres. I reckon it'd well cheap in any third world country, 100% more effective and a true deterrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Really? Wonder what he'll do if their is a riot or even a whiff of one while he is inside? I don't know this lad, never met him, and haven't followed the case that closely. I don't however feel its the best use of a £20k+ a year prison place.......It offers no rehabilitation prospects as far as i can see.... Similar situation where someone was killed http://www.metro.co.uk/home/5368-is-the-sentence-long-enough 20k a year? I thought the figure was more like 50k a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob4586 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I think everyone deserves a chance. If you take that chance and blow it then you've got nobody to blame but yourself but if you wander from the straight and narrow for the first time then I think you deserve the be given a prod in the right direction before being shot down. I'm not defending what this lad did, it was stupid. Just put it into context though - did he lob it to try to hurt someone or did he lob it to make a point without really thinking about what could happen if it hit someone? If it's the latter then that doesn't make him a bad person, he just messed up. Make what point? If he didn't think of his actions at 18 he shouldn't be let loose! He is an adult, not a kid! Deserves everything he gets IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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