apache Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I am interested in what people would do if they suddenly increased the FAC&SGC renewal to £200 as was suggested in the thread by DavidBASC. Are the scaremongers correct that people will hand in their FAC/SGC in large numbers because they can't afford £40/year or £3.33/month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMT Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 It would mean her indoors has less money for war paint and perfume. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD2 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) Voted I would continue, £200 over 5 years isn't that much and is still less then I pay to support an Organisation. I appreciate it is £200 on top of all the other costs involved in shooting but spread over the 5 years it isn't that much (96p per week)there are things I do that cost much more. This is on the basis that the service I receive is/stays efficient. Edited February 19, 2011 by XD2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxon88 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 For those with both FAC and sgc the costs would be a little steep. I would possibly be looking at loosing the sgc and put in for an fac shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I would give up. As a pensioner £200 is the equivalent of 2 weeks state pension. How many of you could afford pay that percentage of your income for your gun license. C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD2 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Oxonn88; surely the same system of synchronising the renewal dates would apply to have a discount on both, as it is now it is only £10 extra to renew both and the £200 would include both as otherwise it would be £160 (£40 renewal at 400%). CharlieT; It is 2 weeks pension but that is over 5 years, so you could put aside. I appreciate it is harder for some, but I would also support a concession system much like the way a fishing licence works. I think because of the cut backs that have to be made the only alternative to a price increase is bringing it from 5 years to 3 years or worse still not having a firearms licensing department and placing the burden on the regular officers to do the checks. Can you imagine how long people would have to wait if that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 For those with both FAC and sgc the costs would be a little steep. I would possibly be looking at loosing the sgc and put in for an fac shotgun. You need co-terminus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Shooting and reloading are a major part of my life so i would pay the fee. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Popper Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I don't shoot at the moment, but my understanding is that ammunition can be very costly along with the initial cost of the firearms themselves and purchasing/having the gun cabinet fitted. I fear that legislation may progressively restore shooting as the preserve of the gentry, but hey maybe that's what they want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I would give up. As a pensioner £200 is the equivalent of 2 weeks state pension. How many of you could afford pay that percentage of your income for your gun license. C Over 5 years its not too bad though, and it keeps you in your sport, but obviously you need to pay it in one lump. It'd make not odds to me whatsoever, I need my guns, the damage caused could be many times that in a year by pigeon and rabbit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Popper Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Just to add to my previous post sorry: I think that if this legislation is being proposed in the interest of public safety, that the public should incur the cost... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I don't shoot at the moment, but my understanding is that ammunition can be very costly along with the initial cost of the firearms themselves and purchasing/having the gun cabinet fitted. I fear that legislation may progressively restore shooting as the preserve of the gentry, but hey maybe that's what they want? Maybe, I don't care , I am gentry so **** you lot of peasants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) Will we be getting a better service though I would give up my sgc as i dont use that anyway.Not having my fac though even if it costs £200 evey 5years .Also the cost for variations would we still have to pay this?.And What about people on benefits that are unemployed or disabled? Do they have to pay same amount?. £200 every 5years aint alot but its alot to pay when you have to pay it in one lump. Edited February 19, 2011 by silverhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I love shooting, its My hobby so I would pay - but the price has to balance against quality of service, and for that money it would need to be 1st class. I would have to give up my golf membership though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I am increasingly tired of those who can pay must pay - I'm always the one paying. Like most I have paid my tax, asked for nothing back and am coming up for retirement. It all mounts up, fuel (vastly increased) for car and house etc, etc. What about all the older (and younger) farmers who shoot. The smaller farmers aren't exactly flush. We all pay the Police precept in our Council Tax - which will go up. WE consistently get less for more. This should be the other way round !!!! I love shooting but if its shooting or the family, you dont have much choice. As shooting should be a right of the free state then, if the public wish us to be as fiercely controlled as we are, they should pay. I dont see the police recovering the costs of attending and sorting car crashes from those at the scene of an accdent. I think we are all too frightened of losing our sport. It will happen as the youngsters cant afford this kind of hike. Shooters used to fight price increases on the basis that it would put many off taking up the sport. BASC should be arguing for a review of the firearms licensing function first before mildly accepting a 400% increase. For gods sake its 400% - imagine how you would complain if road tax went up 50%. I think you know where my vote went but, finally which members did BASC ask to take this viewpoint ? That will save me £60 quid next year. Not happy at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Not a great move having such a big increase,but i'd continue shooting as normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 As we said in our press release BASC is calling for police forces across the country to take a consistent and efficient approach to firearms licensing before any increase in fees is even considered. This will be our position when we and I hope others, meet the Minister on Tuesday. Did you honestly believe BASC would suggest an increase in licence fees? I did not suggest the fee of £200 nor did anyone else at BASC, this is a calculation of the possible fees based on what the police have asked the Minister for! And it all happened over Thursday evening and Friday morning last week - not exactly time to poll a load of BASC members to ask if they thought it was a good idea for us to fight any increase and demand a better licensing system, we took that decision on our own. Look at our press release on the other thread. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V3 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 as has already been said I would try to get a variation for a fac shotgun then ditch the sgc if not then just pay it. if the cost did increase a lot the service would need to improve (not that I have had any bad experiances) and there should be a definative ruling on things such as calibres for fox from county to county as well as all the other issues that vary from county to county Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I could not agree more, this is exactly what we want to see, as our press release clearly said. There is no reason at all for there to be differences between constabularies. A deer is a deer, a fox is a fox, good reason for fox or deer is good reason for fox or deer! Its the same Law, the same Home Office Guidance and the same ACPO best practice, so why do a few constabularies behave so poorly? There is no excuse and as I have said before, if they were in business they would be out of business, but because they have a monopoly they get away with it... David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I'm worried, is it likely that this will happen? i'll probably flog my gear and buy an air rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I could not agree more, this is exactly what we want to see, as our press release clearly said. There is no reason at all for there to be differences between constabularies. A deer is a deer, a fox is a fox, good reason for fox or deer is good reason for fox or deer! Its the same Law, the same Home Office Guidance and the same ACPO best practice, so why do a few constabularies behave so poorly? There is no excuse and as I have said before, if they were in business they would be out of business, but because they have a monopoly they get away with it... David Eloquently put David. You got my vote this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 A deer is a deer, a fox is a fox, good reason for fox or deer is good reason for fox or deer! Its the same Law, the same Home Office Guidance and the same ACPO best practice, so why do a few constabularies behave so poorly? but why have we had to wait until now to get these things sorted, looks like its going to cost us dearly now if they get there act together at all. Like you say they have the monopoly, we could still get a **** service and be paying through the nose for it. And according to the poll welcoming it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorn Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 whats this country coming to think i might have to cut the end of me toys :yp: to pay for the increase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Mark, the number of daft constabularies have been getting smaller and smaller but we are left with a handful that you and I both know (as we live in two of the worst ones) that are getting tough to budge. I think things have just come to a head, the consistent lobbying by BASC , the attacks on the daft constabularies on a case by case basis by SACS and BASC and NGO, the HASC report and now the cost cutting that constabularies have to do... Dave, thanks for the vote of support - I know we don’t agree on some fronts, but we are all on the same side. I'd buy you and Mark a pint if we ever meet! David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Thanks for the offer dave. Buts whats to stop them getting there increase and still giving a very bad service.If they are out of control now who will keep them in tow. One reason they take so long now with grants and variations is the stupid hoops they insist on some folk jumping through when the said grant or variation could have been done in half the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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