Frenchieboy Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) I have at last got my .243 bedded in and ready for action, I have been using Partizan 100g for bedding in and getting used to it and have now been given some Winchester 95g Silver Tips which the rifle really seems to like. (They allow me to shoot a 1cm group at about 80 yards which I think is more than satisfactory for "humane kills") What I would like some advice on (And I know that everyone has their own preferences) is what ammunition would you suggest is best for foxes to try to minimise the chance of runners out to about 150 yards or should I stick to the Winchester 95g Silver Tips? Edit: I should add that I am not interested in home loading! Edited February 26, 2011 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Well Pete if you are not interested in home loading and you don't mind paying the price for the Winchester silver tips you may aswell stick with them as they seem to like your rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) What does Privi 90 grn give you at that range? Edited February 26, 2011 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) What does Privi 90 grn give you at that range? With Privi 100grn I "struggle" to get near to a 1" group at that range! Edit: I haven't tried Privi 90 grn yet! Edited February 26, 2011 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkPoacher Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 My rem 700 loved hornady vmax 58gr half inch at 100 yards was plenty accurate enough. Did have a couple of dodgey bullets but 90% are spot on. Like the above post says if your guns happy stick with the silver tips. If your like me then try out all .243 fox ammo it will be a little pricey!! I always prefere a faster lighter round for fox and a flat trajectory out to 300 yards. Atb Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) 1"" group Thats still good enough for fox get out there and get stuck in. Worry about the detail later. Edited February 26, 2011 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Reload your own with hornady 70gn VMAX, Fast, mid range, accurate, reasonable price and snotters em, you don't get many runners. Or to buy - I rate sako factory loads @ 90gn, mid priced and just the business, doubles up as a fox / deer round. (also covers rat, crow and rabbit lol!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 I have at last got my .243 bedded in and ready for action, I have been using Partizan 100g for bedding in and getting used to it and have now been given some Winchester 95g Silver Tips which the rifle really seems to like. (They allow me to shoot a 1cm group at about 80 yards which I think is more than satisfactory for "humane kills") What I would like some advice on (And I know that everyone has their own preferences) is what ammunition would you suggest is best for foxes to try to minimise the chance of runners out to about 150 yards or should I stick to the Winchester 95g Silver Tips? Edit: I should add that I am not interested in home loading! my mate i shoot with was useing federal 100gn soft point they are the muts nuts but are VERY expensive so he swaped to winchester 100gn soft tips just as good and if i was you i would use 100gn as you wont get a single runner with those they drop like a brick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 my mate i shoot with was useing federal 100gn soft point they are the muts nuts but are VERY expensive so he swaped to winchester 100gn soft tips just as good and if i was you i would use 100gn as you wont get a single runner with those they drop like a brick I would rather use ballistic tipped ammo on a fox over soft point. You dont intend eating a fox so the damage caused isn't a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosshair Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Personally I use Partizan 100gr, and accuracy is not a problem. Also I do shoot an awful lot of shells, so as they are cheap and accurate I stay with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I cannot recall if Pete has mentioned the twist rate of the barrel, as that would help determine if the 100g are too big to group well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I cannot recall if Pete has mentioned the twist rate of the barrel, as that would help determine if the 100g are too big to group well. That's a good point there John - It is a 1 in 10 twist barrel! (So I am told by the gunsmith that sold me the rifle) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonstool Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I go with Luckyshot - Ballistic tips are the way to go - just walk out and pick it up -- I have never had to go "looking" for a fox or roe. Do learn to home load - always ON target - NO flyers - very tight groups straight off your press ... I would rather use ballistic tipped ammo on a fox over soft point. You dont intend eating a fox so the damage caused isn't a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cushies Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 At the moment i'm using remy. 75grn accu-tips, which are accurate and do a good job on the foxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I go with Luckyshot - Ballistic tips are the way to go - just walk out and pick it up -- I have never had to go "looking" for a fox or roe. Do learn to home load - always ON target - NO flyers - very tight groups straight off your press ... I know what you are saying about "Home Loading" but I have to prioritise on my pennies so there is now way that I could go out and buy all of the Home Loading gear I would need. For what it would cost weighed up against what it would save me (Financially) I really do not shoot enough centrefire rounds to recoup the outlay. Plus I just don't have the space in our flat for Home Loading. This is of course why I said on the OP that I wasn't interested inHome Loading. But I thank you for your advice and help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 That's a good point there John - It is a 1 in 10 twist barrel! (So I am told by the gunsmith that sold me the rifle) Twist is not the only consideration but it is the major one. The shape of the bullet, the harmonics of the barrel etc . But I would seriously get jiggy with some of the 90grn Privis. An inch either way is inconsequential on a fox when using a .243. I think the trouble with all these Winchesters, Federals etc is that you can,t be sure how regular the supply is going to be these days. Also, check your box of Winchesters to see where they were made. A lot of winnys these days are made for them by Sellier & Bellot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 AT the moment I am using winchester x 100g - foxes havent got up after taking one of those! My favourite rounds are the Fedral V shok - they are very accurate for me, but increased cost has forced Me to experiment, I have some Normas to use next, have always found them to be good rounds. I am hoping to be given some reloading kit by a very generous chap soon, so could be a longer term solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) This could all get out of hand, but a 1" group is perfectly adequate to stop a fox with a .243. Anyway, my Tikka is 1-10 and favours the 90g PRVI SP over the 100g, as I understand a lot do, worth a try as they are well priced in comparison with almost everything else and a GOOD round! A cracking round for fox though is the 58g Vmax.....if your barrel can deal with it! ATB! Edited February 27, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) Thanks for that Dekers Mate! I haven't tried the 90g Partizans yet mate. For deer I am likely to stick to the Winchester Silver Tips but what I am looking for is a cheaper round that is "fairly consistent" to use for fox! Can I ask you, what sort of grouping are you getting using the 90 g as opposed to the 100g? If I can find some Privi 90g I will give them a try as I do like the price being the tight **** that I am! Edited February 27, 2011 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) Thanks for that Dekers Mate! I haven't tried the 90g Partizans yet mate. For deer I am likely to stick to the Winchester Silver Tips but what I am looking for is a cheaper round that is "fairly consistent" to use for fox! Can I ask you, what sort of grouping are you getting using the 90 g as opposed to the 100g? If I can find some Privi 90g I will give them a try as I do like the price being the tight **** that I am! I was actually out zeroing the HMR and .243 on Thursday with a pal, still got the target so just snapped off a pic with my phone. The .243 normally gets a 200 yards zero (which I have still got to check) but I let go at 100 yards to see what it was doing, I was aiming at the centre line cross point about 1.25 inches below the bullet strike The first 2 shots with PRVI 90g SP .243 were virtually touching, so that did for me! Dropped a 5p on there for scale! PS...as per another thread...... That is my Zeroing target, simple as they get, multiple aim points and all made by me! (and they are nail holes in 3 of the corners) PPS Before anyone picks up on the HMR being all over the shop, it was out, and I steadily bought it in, hence the apparent wide spread! Edited February 27, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I use 100grn soft points (home loads) as these double up for deer as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Try the 90gr Prvi and see how you get on. If your rifle likes them then it's a bonus, if not you've not spent much finding out. I shoot them through my CZ and they group at about an inch since I had it shortened. For the ranges you're shooting at you don't need bullet on bullet accuracy and if they are good enough they will save you a fortune! You could also use them for Deer in England to save having to re-zero if you do want to go stalking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) I went out at lunchtime to check the zero on my Hummer and took the .243 because I had just scoured and cleaned the barrel to see if it needed a couple of "fouling rounds" put through it. As it was it started pouring down just as I took the 1st shot with the .243 so I didn't bother with any more shots. The results seem pretty fine to me. This shot was taken at 110 large paces (Aproximately 100 yards) off the bipod on the bonnet of my 4X4, using a 100g Partizan Soft Points in winds that were blowing from right to left at around 15 MPH - Enough to blow the 17g Hornady rounds from my Hummer about 1.5 inches to the left. After looking at this and thinking carefully about it if I can get some sort of consistency from the Partizans I am fairly happy with them, especially at just £9.50 per box! I have places a 10 pence piece with the target on the scanner to keep it in perspective! Edited February 27, 2011 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 i dont think it realy matters that .243 ammo you use for fox if you hit him he will be dead and out. every one has our frav bullets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 The thing with Privi is that people associate cheap ammo with **** ammo and all my experience is that its not. Its cheap because it doesn't have the incredible markup associated with imported American ammo. The Privi factory is actually one of the most modern in the world and the quality is good. People just can't seem to get their heads round this and assume that if you pay a lot more the ammo must be better. Well, thats their choice. OK some rifles don't like it but thats true of all ammo. All I can say is that in the target shooting world it is fast becoming the ammo of choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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