French Burka Ban

[kdubya]

india has one of the fastest growing economies in the world

 

yes india is a first class example a third of the planet's population who are below the World Bank's extreme poverty line live in India. half of all children in the country are malnourished and it does not have the tax base to eliminate poverty though internal wealth redistribution.

 

we also gave nearly £300 million aid to india last year ( its frozen at the same rate this)

 

perhaps you would like to also claim zimbabwe as aglowing example?

 

KW

[Curly87]

yes india is a first class example a third of the planet's population who are below the World Bank's extreme poverty line live in India. half of all children in the country are malnourished and it does not have the tax base to eliminate poverty though internal wealth redistribution.

 

we also gave nearly £300 million aid to india last year ( its frozen at the same rate this)

 

perhaps you would like to also claim zimbabwe as aglowing example?

 

KW

 

and it was just the same when we were there! only we added torture, killings and rape to the mix

[kdubya]

and it was just the same when we were there! only we added torture, killings and rape to the mix

 

make that blackpool and weve gone full circle?

 

KW

[Curly87]

so i think we can all agree then that after all of this women in burkas are the least of our worries!

[kdubya]

so i think we can all agree then that after all of this women in burkas are the least of our worries!

 

Ive said it before if they want to wear them they must be red with gold letters on the front, they would soon decide to dress like women and not an oppressed object

 

KW

[Curly87]

I wouldnt say they are oppressed when wearing a burka, agreed in some cases husbands beat them if they dont but for most its just part of life and many enjoy wearing one. They arent causing any harm, let them get on with it. We certainly have a lot more to worry about in england than some women wearing clothes that some find odd.

[kdubya]

I wouldnt say they are oppressed when wearing a burka, agreed in some cases husbands beat them if they dont but for most its just part of life and many enjoy wearing one. They arent causing any harm, let them get on with it. We certainly have a lot more to worry about in england than some women wearing clothes that some find odd.

 

 

these women would argue differently

 

http://www.womenscampaigninternational.org/2009/10/the-burqa-a-symbol-of-confidence-or-oppression/

[jacksdad]

What about Male terror suspects escaping from the UK by wearing Burkhas?

As I stated earlier, can I wear a camo face veil, or leave my bike crash helmet on in public?...NO!

Thats because the CCTV cannot get a picture of my boat race, which is a valid reason to ban them, along with all other face coverings

[Curly87]

these women would argue differently

 

http://www.womenscampaigninternational.org/2009/10/the-burqa-a-symbol-of-confidence-or-oppression/

 

Thats because its written by a women empowerment group. Which i fully agree with and something that needs to be changed especially in muslim countries but a lot still enjoy wearing one as it gives them freedom so to speak in a messed up situation and in an ideal world they shouldnt have to wear one, but our world is less than ideal!

[Albertan_J]

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yes india is a first class example a third of the planet's population who are below the World Bank's extreme poverty line live in India. half of all children in the country are malnourished and it does not have the tax base to eliminate poverty though internal wealth redistribution.

 

we also gave nearly £300 million aid to india last year ( its frozen at the same rate this)

 

perhaps you would like to also claim zimbabwe as aglowing example?

 

KW

 

Statements of fact don't go down well on here.

[henry d]

yes india is a first class example a third of the planet's population who are below the World Bank's extreme poverty line live in India. half of all children in the country are malnourished and it does not have the tax base to eliminate poverty though internal wealth redistribution.

 

we also gave nearly £300 million aid to india last year ( its frozen at the same rate this)

 

perhaps you would like to also claim zimbabwe as aglowing example?

 

KW

 

Sorry, socialist racist.....

 

make that blackpool and weve gone full circle?

 

KW

 

.....I take it back.....

 

Ive said it before if they want to wear them they must be red with gold letters on the front, they would soon decide to dress like women and not an oppressed object

 

KW

 

......yep, deffo take it back......

 

these women would argue differently

 

http://www.womenscampaigninternational.org/2009/10/the-burqa-a-symbol-of-confidence-or-oppression/

 

.....no I have no idea where you are going with this !

So how do we make a difference to an oppressed people, turn your back on them or welcome them and teach them that we are their friends ?

 

Nah, they`re just here to take over, help, help, the sky is falling on my head.........

[four-wheel-drive]

Burker Ban

 

I find it hard to praise the French for anything however I think they have this one right, if only the UK had the nads to do likewise

Congratulations Paveman I think this is the longest thread that I have seen on her most of it nothing to do with the burka-ban but all very interesting keep up the good work.

[pavman]

do you drink when in Muslim countries Pav?

 

 

Its not offensive to drink its offensive to offer it to a muslim.......... Turkey dam fime holiday place (mostly Muslim) bars on every corner.

 

I have seen on many occasions, Muslims drinking, use of prostitution, and changing clothes as soon as they get on a plane to dress in jeans and t shirt. Many are only Muslims when surrounded by other Muslims. Get them on their own and its another story for many, all covered beautifully by the following statement as told to me by an apparently devout Muslim man

 

A man is weak and Allah knows this and can forgive him………. For a woman this is not so

[kdubya]

 

 

 

So how do we make a difference to an oppressed people,

 

 

its actually very simple we let them in if they can provide proof that they need to come for genuine reasons IE true asylum not economic migration, or if they can benefit US and have the means of self sufficiency (as we need if we go to say australia) and that once they are here they integrate fully and accept our terribly deviant ways of western devil worship, and dont try (make that achieve) to set up a culture that takes them back to the very society they supposedly came here to escape from?

 

KW

[mushroom]

Sorry, socialist racist.....

 

 

 

.....I take it back.....

 

 

 

......yep, deffo take it back......

 

 

So how do we make a difference to an oppressed people, turn your back on them or welcome them and teach them that we are their friends ?

 

Nah, they`re just here to take over, help, help, the sky is falling on my head.........

 

I seriously pity you Henry lad, your so blind it's crippling your judgement. You have no connecion with the real world and all you can spout is silly little remarks involving racism whenever someone tells how "they" see it. You want to take a good long look at that cartoon posted earlier in the thread and see exactly what it symbolises "a blind man attacking somebody elses views" am I wrong or is freedom of speech not allowed?? You seem to think that foreigners have the right to it but not honest white British folk.

[UKPoacher]

I seriously pity you Henry lad, your so blind it's crippling your judgement. You have no connecion with the real world and all you can spout is silly little remarks involving racism whenever someone tells how "they" see it. You want to take a good long look at that cartoon posted earlier in the thread and see exactly what it symbolises "a blind man attacking somebody elses views" am I wrong or is freedom of speech not allowed?? You seem to think that foreigners have the right to it but not honest white British folk.

 

I think that freedom of speech is allowed. That is why you are able to spout such utter drivel despite being so blatently divorced from facts and reality. You only offer opinions, others offer facts. But nonetheless you are free to express your views.

[mushroom]

I think that freedom of speech is allowed. That is why you are able to spout such utter drivel despite being so blatently divorced from facts and reality. You only offer opinions, others offer facts. But nonetheless you are free to express your views.

 

Frankly I may be spouting drivel but at least it's my opinion and take on things I see, not what some leftwing pork told me in a race relations seminar in Bognor

 

Get back in your stable the hand wants to remove your blinkers. You really have been multiculturised it's a myth, the present government has admitted this, the last government admitted this, that Twit Tony Blair admitted this... MULTICULTURISM IS A FAILURE A DOOMED SOCIAL EXPERIMENT THAT HAS LED TO THE PRESENT SITUATION of Social tensions that only you and a select few others seemingly cannot see.

[MM]

can i shoot a fox with an air rifle?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mad i tell you!! MAD!!!

[al4x]

so basically if you got your way mushroom we wouldn't have a decent takeaway in the country :blink:

[henry d]

I seriously pity you Henry lad(I seriously doubt that), your so blind it's crippling your judgement. You have no connecion with the real world and all you can spout is silly little remarks involving racism whenever someone tells how "they" see it.(You missed the point, if someone says that a good start is to kick out everyone not white is that not racist ?)

You want to take a good long look at that cartoon posted earlier in the thread and see exactly what it symbolises "a blind man attacking somebody elses views" am I wrong or is freedom of speech not allowed??(No that is the reason we are having an exchange of views)

You seem to think that foreigners have the right to it but not honest white British folk.(What about those who were born here ?)

 

I am far from blind, I`ve travelled to many countries and met many different races of people. I also live in Scotland which is second only to Tyne & Wear for it`s increase in foreign born migrants (113% to 190%). Both of these figures are far above any others in the UK, do I have a problem with migrants......No!

Multiculturalism is ridiculous, just get out and meet people without judging them first, oh and stop reading the Daily Mail.

[UKPoacher]

Frankly I may be spouting drivel but at least it's my opinion and take on things I see, not what some leftwing pork told me in a race relations seminar in Bognor

 

Get back in your stable the hand wants to remove your blinkers. You really have been multiculturised it's a myth, the present government has admitted this, the last government admitted this, that Twit Tony Blair admitted this... MULTICULTURISM IS A FAILURE A DOOMED SOCIAL EXPERIMENT THAT HAS LED TO THE PRESENT SITUATION of Social tensions that only you and a select few others seemingly cannot see.

 

Multiculturism might now be regarded as a failure, but not for the reasons you quote. What you claim to see and interpret and form an opinion on has been proven to be wrong time and time again in this thread yet you continue blindly spouting utter drivel. How would the NHS have fared without Indian doctors? How would the textile industry in your area have grown in the 1950's and 1960's were it not for Pakistani workers shipped in specifically to fill employment gaps? In my area our coal mines were full of Poles and Czechs who stayed behind after the war. There is nothing wrong with immigration. Where it went wrong is by not excluding economic migrants from our health and welfare systems thus attracting non-workers, and by not making our own sick, lame and lazy take jobs before allowing immigrants to fill them.

[mushroom]

Multiculturism might now be regarded as a failure, but not for the reasons you quote. What you claim to see and interpret and form an opinion on has been proven to be wrong time and time again in this thread yet you continue blindly spouting utter drivel. How would the NHS have fared without Indian doctors? How would the textile industry in your area have grown in the 1950's and 1960's were it not for Pakistani workers shipped in specifically to fill employment gaps? In my area our coal mines were full of Poles and Czechs who stayed behind after the war. There is nothing wrong with immigration. Where it went wrong is by not excluding economic migrants from our health and welfare systems thus attracting non-workers, and by not making our own sick, lame and lazy take jobs before allowing immigrants to fill them.

 

RE the red highlighted; We seemed to do alright before they were here and we had less infections and more beds (sic not saying infection is a direct result of foreign doctors lol)

 

 

Parts of this highlighted green I agree with, but you still have to show me where you "proved me

wrong" You haven't!!! All you have done is spout doctrine that has been mashed into you brain by an integration and culture awareness pork

Edited April 19, 2011 by mushroom

[pavman]

Can you guys use bigger font or stick to black txt :blink:

 

we have drifted a tad in that we have talked about all manor of things including nuns in habits and shooting folk wearing face veils neither of which have been responsible for any terrorist activities, unlike the use of the Burka to conceal identities which is a fact that can not be disputed.

 

I think the French have played a blinder

Edited April 19, 2011 by pavman

[mushroom]

I am far from blind, I`ve travelled to many countries and met many different races of people. I also live in Scotland which is second only to Tyne & Wear for it`s increase in foreign born migrants (113% to 190%). Both of these figures are far above any others in the UK, do I have a problem with migrants......No!

Multiculturalism is ridiculous, just get out and meet people without judging them first, oh and stop reading the Daily Mail.

 

I've travelled and met enough; India, Thailand, europe the nicest were the Thais and indians and they are the same when they come here or go anywhere else in the world they have their customs but integrate and mould to the culture they are living in. We have a very large sikh part of our family who are from the Punjab area and have property there which we can visit when we like. I have many very close Thai friends from my days Thai boxing and still see the ones who live here, regularly. When we see each other we greet in Thai not English, why? because it carries more significance and shows how we think of each other better than any English greeting ever could my Eldest daughter is pretty good too and she is 8 and half Dutch so don't go making judgments about what I believe and want for my country when you don't have a clue

[al4x]

where have they been used here to hide terrorism pav?

 

all I've seen certainly here is males who weren't wearing Burkhas