Vermincinerator Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Nothing is dangerous if done with the correct knoledge including reduced loads. Your experiances directly contradict mine or you are perhaps far less fussy what you will eat. Somethings amiss what do you need Berger match bullets for accuraccy wise under 100yds Its easy enough to hit them in the head with most things sub 100 yds Nothing amiss kent and you are right i dont need the accuracy of berger match grade bullets for shots under 100yds but i do when i stretch my shots out to 400yds, one bullet for all distances i shoot mate, makes things a lot easier. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulboy1957 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Tried it last night with my .222 made a right mess with 40g blitzkings,head gone and a fair bit of neck/back/front leg.....and that was a headshot,OK for control but not much use for eating. May try the .243 though LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Soulboy try a match grade bullet such as a Berger or a Matchking they dont have the violent expension of the dedicated varmint bullets and kill easily without taking the head off and damaging the rest of the meat. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 This was shot with my mates CZ527 in 222. It was shot @120yds using privi 50g sp. As you can see the damage is minimal and definately edible. Not a rabbit but a good comparison all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I have head shot plenty over the years with 223 and 40/50/55 gr vmax or BK bullets. I don't eat them myself but a friend does and he said they've been good. Full and frank discussions on meat damage with him too so he would have mentioned complete inner destruction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 I fail to see how that many fragments can make it into the body if a head shot is taken? I've shot loads of bunnies with big rounds and I've never experienced it? Maybe a couple, but by no means enough to make it inedible or unsuitable for sale? Kent - When the fragment damaged bunnies were shot, were they facing you? If so that could explain how the fragments have spread and got into the body? I'm not critical of your findings at all, rather just interested as I've never experienced it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I fail to see how that many fragments can make it into the body if a head shot is taken? I've shot loads of bunnies with big rounds and I've never experienced it? Maybe a couple, but by no means enough to make it inedible or unsuitable for sale? Kent - When the fragment damaged bunnies were shot, were they facing you? If so that could explain how the fragments have spread and got into the body? I'm not critical of your findings at all, rather just interested as I've never experienced it. Its not bullet fragments that do the damage its the bits of bone and body liquids and tissue traveling inside what amounts to a bag of water. Its purely an energy thing related to hydrolic shock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Its purely an energy thing related to hydrolic shock Is that a fear of JCB's? :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I still can't understand why you would shoot a rabbit with a centrefire to eat. If I do it which isn't often its an aim centermass and see what happens. Effective rabbit control it isn't and you can't justify it in any way at all. Eating them is just bull poop so you might as well face facts its done for kicks. That and to see what HYDROSTATIC shock does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 This was shot with my mates CZ527 in 222. It was shot @120yds using privi 50g sp. As you can see the damage is minimal and definately edible. Not a rabbit but a good comparison all the same. A hare is three times the weight of a Rabbit, so it isn't that good a comparisom realy of a rabbit. The .222rem is way less powerfull than a .243 /22-250. Also externally the damage looks ok but inside can be a different story, have had similar with far bigger yet the back legs would be smashed and guts ruptured internally from the hydrolic shock. The .222 only carries approx 400 fps over a Hornet (depending on load) at 120 yds with softpoints i should expect it very capable of harvesting a Hare using non violent expanding varmint ammo and body shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Is that a fear of JCB's? :yp: The words chosen explain to the layman the effect better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Is that a fear of JCB's? :yp: Nah, that's hydraulic shock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleaner4hire Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) I still can't understand why you would shoot a rabbit with a centrefire to eat..... Effective rabbit control it isn't and you can't justify it in any way at all. Eating them is just bull poop so you might as well face facts its done for kicks. Because I can; its legal and a very effective way of a humanely killing the quarry. Show me a shooter who doesnt get a kick from this pastime. Edited July 29, 2011 by cleaner4hire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Because I can; its legal and a very effective way of a humanely killing the quarry. Show me a shooter who doesnt get a kick from this pastime. its the eating bit that is used to justify it makes me laugh. I've shot them from 20 yards to 240 or so with the .243 its not effective control as you don't shoot large numbers. Definitely humane and I can safely say I never thought about eating them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Come on, this had run long enough...hit a rabbit in the right place and at the right angle with a CF and you have plenty left to eat. The End! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I have found even head shots on rabbits by most cf calibres. still leaves bruising around then neck sometimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I still can't understand why you would shoot a rabbit with a centrefire to eat. I dont have a rimfire rifle and enjoy a bit of rabbit curry Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Come on, this had run long enough...hit a rabbit in the right place and at the right angle with a CF and you have plenty left to eat. The End! make it a small enough c/f, be lucky, do it at a distant enough range. Oh and assume a lot rather than try it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornet 6 Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 I shoot rabbits at least 4 times a week with either .22 hornet or .223 I rarely get one that is inedible, at any range. You just have to pick your shots, unless they are destined for fox bait, in which case just aim mid body. Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 make it a small enough c/f, be lucky, do it at a distant enough range. Oh and assume a lot rather than try it I have shot rabbit with .308 150g SP, it is like the cartoons, just a big hole, like I said.... "hit a rabbit in the right place and at the right angle with a CF and you have plenty left to eat". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 I have shot rabbit with .308 150g SP, it is like the cartoons, just a big hole, like I said.... "hit a rabbit in the right place and at the right angle with a CF and you have plenty left to eat". I've hit plenty with the .243 or 6.5x55 and they were edible. If you shoot the head then the head gets damaged, but you don't eat the head. I agree with Dekers - shot placement is the one and only key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 I do a lot of bunnie control using .22lr/air rifle/shotgun and once i shot one with the .223 lets just say it was killed/paunched and folded inside out and was definatly over dead :o ,at £17.50 for 20 rounds it would prove very expensive rifle for rabbit control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 fuel to farm £10 cost of ammo £17.50 cost of seing a rabbit become a glove puppet at 3000fps = priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I head shot one on Saturday with a 52grn Berger match from my 22-250 at 35yds, what was left of the head was attached by a small piece of skin. Its now jointed and soaking with the others i shot at various distances up to 100yds, with no meat damage what so ever. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 went out last night with my new browning A - Bolt composite, home loaded 50grain hornady V-Max shot two foxes then had a pop at 3 rabbits. It turns them into pate. Excellent fun and as I load my own only cost 33p per round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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