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why all the hate?

 

would you lot rather labour had tony blair no2 and got back into power?

 

the longer millipede is in charge the better i say :lol:

 

most labour mps are a comedy show, that we can laugh at.

 

wasnt particularly funny when they were in power mind you. :oops:

 

Too true. The longer minibrain is leader of Liebour then hopefully the longer they will be in opposition.

They couldn't run a bath let alone a country.

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I love him, in fact I couldn't think if a better person to lead the labour party.

 

So true :lol:

 

Hi All

We do have a statesman waiting in the wings for a chance to get the country out of the mess it is in. I reffer to William Haig. It is my oppinion that he is our only hope of salvation at this time. He has an aroura of Churchill and speaks his mind for the people he represents. I for one hope he gets into no 10 during my lifetime and await the results.

Peter

 

William Hague, the best PM we never had. He is THE best politician in the house by a long shot.

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So true :lol:

 

 

 

William Hague, the best PM we never had. He is THE best politician in the house by a long shot.

 

:stupid:

 

Always had a soft spot for Hague. Never seen him get backed into a corner in interviews or when coming under fire. Last of the old guard. A thoroughly likeable man.

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I have yet to see Hague not give a direct sensible answer to a direct question. This is the mark of the man he is what we need in this very troubled time. I too did well in the Thatcher years as did many others she got me on the property ladder and that is something that the young couples are struggling with today. We need a leader who can see both sides of society and respect the life styles of his constituents be they rural or urban. It is about time someone stood up and spoke for the working man and the pensioners who are being bent over a barrel. Cannot the present government see we are the dumping ground and laughing stock of the rest of the world. The British lion needs to awake from it,s slumber and roar once again.

Peter

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The problem as I see it they are all career politicians non of them have had a proper job our ran a business so have no idea about the real world I would make a law that says that you have to have worked outside of politics for at least ten/twenty years before you can become an MP.

Too bloody right!! :good:

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The problem as I see it they are all career politicians non of them have had a proper job our ran a business so have no idea about the real world I would make a law that says that you have to have worked outside of politics for at least ten/twenty years before you can become an MP.

 

Exactly the same is said about Obama in America,and I think you have a very good point. Personally I can't wait for Boris to give up being mayor of London and become PM

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I'm sorry, but the only thing that springs to mind regarding Haig and soft spots is his likeness to a Lady's soft spot!!!

 

 

What has he done as a man or politician to personally offend you, or adversely effect your life?

 

Have you ever seen him full flow arguing across the house, he has a way with words Obama must envy! Whatever your political orientation you must surely respect him for that?

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What has he done as a man or politician to personally offend you, or adversely effect your life?

 

Have you ever seen him full flow arguing across the house, he has a way with words Obama must envy! Whatever your political orientation you must surely respect him for that?

 

Got to agree with that. You can't help but admire his straight talking.

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JR is way off the mark. MPs of al parties have voted him parlimentarian of the year more than once.

 

Milliband, Blair and that waste of his father's seed Mandleson are the worst type of socialists, champagne socialists. Harriet Harman is another. They are all hypocrites.

 

Bring back Maggie!

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why all the hate?

 

would you lot rather labour had tony blair no2 and got back into power?

 

the longer millipede is in charge the better i say :lol:

 

most labour mps are a comedy show, that we can laugh at.

 

wasnt particularly funny when they were in power mind you. :oops:

Unfortunately there are those, votes purchased, who will vote that way again.

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JR is way off the mark. MPs of al parties have voted him parlimentarian of the year more than once.

 

Milliband, Blair and that waste of his father's seed Mandleson are the worst type of socialists, champagne socialists. Harriet Harman is another. They are all hypocrites.

 

Bring back Maggie!

The fact that he may be the best of a bad bunch doesn't make him a leader, and as for mentioning him in the same sentence as, let alone comparing him with Churchill, well I despair. Churchill, mainly due to circumstance was a leader of the moment, it is unlikely we will see his like again.

 

After being interested in politics all my life I find myself in the position where I now believe our system is un-democratic, ruled by the whitehall system of mainly self serving yes-men rather than any real statesmen and is now in a position where it is in terminal decline because of it.

 

We have allowed the sensationalist press to rule this country since WWII and now we are paying the price.

 

I didn't vote last time and I will probably do the same next time, not because I have no interest but simply because I saw no-one worth voting for.

 

As I have no political affiliation and seem to have strayed into a debate for Tory back-slappers I will withdraw gracefully.

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Milliband is the best thing to happen to the Conservatives for quite a while.

 

I like Haig but my opinion of him went down a little in the interviews he gave early on in the Libya conflict - even he came across a bit lost. Still one of the better ones though.

 

TBH I'm not sure the main stream parties are capable of electing a leader who would be a true statesman like Churchill. I think it could come from one of the fringe parties but we have to be careful what we wish for.

 

I'm a bit flaky on this but did Churchill start out as statesmen or did he grow into that iconic figure due to the war?

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OK where are we ???????????

 

 

In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinborough, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

 

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

 

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

 

From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence;

From dependence back into bondage."

The Obituary follows:

 

 

Dave

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I'm a bit flaky on this but did Churchill start out as statesmen or did he grow into that iconic figure due to the war?

 

He wasn't too popular prior to the outbreak from what I can gather. He'd dropped a few goolies in the past, the most memorable being the shambolic attempt at opening up a new front in Turkey (during the Great War) which was his brain child. He almost repeated that with his prediction of Italy being the soft underbelly during the invasion of occupied Europe. It turned out to be a very tough slog.

 

There's no doubt that he provided the resolve for the commonwealth to hang on during its darkest hour, something that the wishy washy appeasers that had gone before him could never have done. He also drove himself to exhaustion to get the yanks on board and foresaw the threat of the USSR long before anybody else. He was a visionary but he didn't get everything right which only made him more human IMO.

 

Whats most telling I suppose is that he was dropped like a stone by the voters after the war ended. They obviously didn't see him as the man that would be able to cope with the aftermath.

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He wasn't too popular prior to the outbreak from what I can gather. He'd dropped a few goolies in the past, the most memorable being the shambolic attempt at opening up a new front in Turkey (during the Great War) which was his brain child. He almost repeated that with his prediction of Italy being the soft underbelly during the invasion of occupied Europe. It turned out to be a very tough slog.

 

There's no doubt that he provided the resolve for the commonwealth to hang on during its darkest hour, something that the wishy washy appeasers that had gone before him could never have done. He also drove himself to exhaustion to get the yanks on board and foresaw the threat of the USSR long before anybody else. He was a visionary but he didn't get everything right which only made him more human IMO.

 

Whats most telling I suppose is that he was dropped like a stone by the voters after the war ended. They obviously didn't see him as the man that would be able to cope with the aftermath.

 

Churchill is an icon. Absolute legend that represented a part of gritty Britishness that we all have in a way

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