Ackley Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Following on from the "running deer when shot ********" I thoight I woulod start a new interesting debate on the correct bullet for the job,as its already been mentioned using the wrong bullet "can" cause runners with deer foxes and any other quarry. I know poeple use the totally wrong bullet for the job,so what do you use my personal preference though experience of tryimng diffrent bullets is Deer a bonded core section 5 expaning bullet as they hold together retaining there weight which in turm punched a nice hole with out too much meat damage (some people make you pay for damaged meat) people do shoot match bullets which is justy plain wrong,been there and dont that foxes a bullet with a good BC and will cause maximum damage as you dont want them running off and a little old lady finding one whilst walking there poodle on a sunday morning rabbits,well there not much to choose from only std hollow point or match ammo,obvioulsy dont use match ammo as they go straight through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I'm pleased to say I totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 there is a slight thing that bullet choice on deer does have a thought as to carcass damage so you don't necessarily use the bullet that would put them down fastest as it makes too much mess. That said i find a decent 85grn softpoint pretty effective on deer and surprisingly destructive on foxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) For rabbits I use 55g vmax. Dont get many runners Edited November 8, 2011 by inthedark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregthegreat Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 rabbits,well there not much to choose from only std hollow point or match ammo,obvioulsy dont use match ammo as they go straight through Ballistic tips are available, bit pricey mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mereside Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) in both my 270's i use a 150 grain hornady interlock or a seirra gameking 130 grain and 300 win mag is 180 grain spbt ,foxes get the same treatment although thinking of giving the 100 grain v max ago in the 270 :blink: for fox soup . i can only head shoot rabbits or theres nothing left for tea ,atb wayne Edited November 8, 2011 by mereside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Actual weight has very little to do with it, unless as a generalisation per calibre. For example you can get a 55grn Nosler Partition in .224 or sako gamehead that would make a nice job for cavity shots on roe were legal yet a 6mm 55 grn b/tip would be my last choice although the 95 grn b/tip is specifically designed for deer. Bullet constuction is the important thing not weight Impact speed is of paramount importance to how a bullet behaves. For example a 40 grn bullet designed to be used in say 22-250 might fail to expand correctly if used in a Hornet and vice versa hornet 40grn bullets could actually blow up in flight if pushed at 4000 fps or so. This leads on to which range you might shoot at at "extreame range" varmint type bullets reliably expand like a std deer bullet were a std deer bullet might fail due to lack of impact speed and of course vice versa at shorter range high velocity Aint it funny how so many take such care with producing the best most tight shooting ammo they can yet give scant regards to the terminal performance during testing, I am darn sure that 1/4 moa is far less worthwhile than good terminals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 My favourite bullet for Deer was the Barnes TSX. The trouble is being monolithic they're not allowed on ranges so I stopped using them. I now use Hornady Interlocks for Deer, Berger Varminters for Fox and below and all sorts for Rabbits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Following on from the "running deer when shot ********" I thoight I woulod start a new interesting debate on the correct bullet for the job,as its already been mentioned using the wrong bullet "can" cause runners with deer foxes and any other quarry. I know poeple use the totally wrong bullet for the job,so what do you use my personal preference though experience of tryimng diffrent bullets is Deer a bonded core section 5 expaning bullet as they hold together retaining there weight which in turm punched a nice hole with out too much meat damage (some people make you pay for damaged meat) people do shoot match bullets which is justy plain wrong,been there and dont that foxes a bullet with a good BC and will cause maximum damage as you dont want them running off and a little old lady finding one whilst walking there poodle on a sunday morning rabbits,well there not much to choose from only std hollow point or match ammo,obvioulsy dont use match ammo as they go straight through Interesting how some took the Perfect Shot, then changed ammo and had less runners, some interesting definitions of the Perfect shot! I seem to notice you mentioned that! Hey, you enjoy your walk around the countryside looking for a deers blood trail after your cigar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Interesting how some took the Perfect Shot, then changed ammo and had less runners, some interesting definitions of the Perfect shot! I seem to notice you mentioned that! Hey, you enjoy your walk around the countryside looking for a deers blood trail after your cigar. Again, knoledge of what causes death is very relivent- there is no magic silver bullet Dekers, no magic thunderbolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) Interesting how some took the Perfect Shot, then changed ammo and had less runners, some interesting definitions of the Perfect shot! I seem to notice you mentioned that! Hey, you enjoy your walk around the countryside looking for a deers blood trail after your cigar. I will and iam sure you will keep spouting rubbish and noy turning when invited,your a joke mate and full of bull Again, knoledge of what causes death is very relivent- there is no magic silver bullet Dekers, no magic thunderbolt OH there is Dekers has a magic bullet he never has had a runner,but then again probably only ever shot 1 deer the rest have been shot form his arm chair Oh **** ers Iam mean Dekers I may be at Bisley on the 20th of this month 100 and 1000 yards,never done 1000 but it will be a laugh hope to see you this time unless you bottle out again Edited November 8, 2011 by Ackley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 oh hell this could get hot!! i use both 55grain soft points and 50-55grn v-max in the 223 on roe and find the v-max better for chest shots, but that said most shots with the 223 are taken off the quad,and i head and neck shoot them (roll on the slander) the 243 of mine is useing 100grain soft points and ime not finding them very good tbh so ive loaded up some 75grain v-max to try the estate gun runs on 70grain soft points and dose ok the 270 uses soft points not shure what weight or make but they kill well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) At the moment in 243 I am trying out some Norma 75gr bt's but from the last few roe they make a hell of a mess, historically I've have used 80gr sp's for roe, I did try some 58gr bt's for foxing and again very effective but in short supply so at the moment I have about 80 75gr bt's, 20 100gr sp's for red, a box of 90gr sp's which I need to try out and a few 58gr bt's left. I don't shoot rabbits with a Centrefire as I think it's a waste of time and the reason I bought a 22lr..... I also use a 22mag for foxing now and again with 40gr bt's. Edited November 9, 2011 by gixer1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) I will and iam sure you will keep spouting rubbish and noy turning when invited,your a joke mate and full of bull OH there is Dekers has a magic bullet he never has had a runner,but then again probably only ever shot 1 deer the rest have been shot form his arm chair Oh **** ers Iam mean Dekers I may be at Bisley on the 20th of this month 100 and 1000 yards,never done 1000 but it will be a laugh hope to see you this time unless you bottle out again No chap, just access the situation, get in the right position with the right ammo and put it in the right place, you should try it sometime, much better than smoking Cigars! You crack on, 2" groups at 500 yards but can't stop a deer hey, why would you ever bother with a heart shot, the head my boy with your skills, and more money at the Game Dealer? Edited November 8, 2011 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) No chap, just access the situation, get in the right position with the right ammo and put it in the right place, you should try it sometime, much better than smoking Cigars! You crack on, 2" groups at 500 yards but can't stop a deer hey, why would you ever bother with a heart shot, the head my boy with your skills, and more money at the Game Dealer? I love heads shots and always take them if the condition are correct you can have the right everything in place and deer can still run,again showing your very very inexperience to the whole site once again,I would back up mate as that hole you are digging is getting very deep as to may shooting capabilities YOU had the chance to show up after all your keyboard warrior spoutings,and what happend you didnt show,again showing what a splineless gob****e your really are,even after I PMed you your responce was that of a child,with your laughing faces,seems to be your trade that when your prooved wrong you still never shown us all your published works in the shooting press,whats up **** less are you ashamed or is it your usual BS Edited November 8, 2011 by Ackley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) I love heads shots and always take them if the condition are correct you can have the right everything in place and deer can still run,again showing your very very inexperience to the whole site once again,I would back up mate as that hole you are digging is getting very deep as to may shooting capabilities YOU had the chance to show up after all your keyboard warrior spoutings,and what happend you didnt show,again showing what a splineless gob****e your really are,even after I PMed you your responce was that of a child,with your laughing faces,seems to be your trade that when your prooved wrong you still never shown us all your published works in the shooting press,whats up **** less are you ashamed or is it your usual BS The balance of any response you have made recently is based on inane ramblings or personal abuse and lacks any credibility or substance. If you have a sensible point, endeavour to make it without all the verbal bull! If you can shoot 2" groups at 500 yards you can drop a deer on the spot with a heart shot. The reason you don't sometimes is you used the wrong ammo, put it in the wrong place or the deer was pumped up, etc, etc, just as I have said all along, which you and many others have failed to comprehend. It's what happens, if you don't drop them today when you did yesterday then something was different, and it wasn't the perfect shot! Surely that can't be too difficult to understand, they dropped yesterday but ran off today, do you notice something is different there. If that happens then it would be pretty obvious to most they were NOT BOTH PERFECT SHOTS! Deer don't just do that, there is a REASON, whatever it may be! Edited November 8, 2011 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 The balance of any response you have made recently is based on inane ramblings or personal abuse and lacks any credibility or substance. If you have a sensible point, endeavour to make it without all the verbal bull! If you can shoot 2" groups at 500 yards you can drop a deer on the spot with a heart shot. The reason you don't sometimes is you used the wrong ammo, put it in the wrong place or the deer was pumped up, etc, etc, just as I have said all along, which you and many others have failed to comprehend. It's what happens, if you don't drop them today when you did yesterday then something was different, and it wasn't the perfect shot! Surely that can't be too difficult to understand, they dropped yesterday but ran off today, do you notice something is different there. If that happens then it would be pretty obvious to most they were NOT BOTH PERFECT SHOTS! Deer don't just do that, there is a REASON, whatever it may be! Dekers ,calm down . Billy the walt is trying to draw you in . Harnser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I don't always agree with everything that Ackley says, but I totally agree with his OP here. Dekers, you are getting very very boring with your constant 'for the sake of it' attacks on Ackley, for christs sake man give it a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 This could be a worthwhile thread, but it seems to be heading into the bin with a slagging match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Thread locked for the usual reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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