Blackpowder Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 I am just about to purchase the gun of my dreams, a John Dickson round action, a make and type of shotgun I have lusted after for more years than I care to remember. The gun in question looks immaculate with fine twist damascus barrels which are sadly out of proof, my intention its to have sleeved barrels of one sort or another fitted to make the final part of a dream come true and actually shoot with it. To protect the person who is selling it from possible prosecution I have made a receipt out that the gun is given as a repair project and that it will not be used until re-proofed or re-barrled. Will this keep the vendor safe? Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 i dont think there will be a problem unless you complain about the purchase. but then you know what you are buying and what you are expected to do after purchase.. cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 reading up on it i don't think it will make any differance. The offence is selling a gun that is out of proof regardless to if it is going to be used or not. Don't know if it would be possible or not, but couldn't you agree a price and then you fund the re-sleeving, then complete the sale after the gun is in proof. Only downside to this is you need to be able to trust the current owner not to rip you off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 I am just about to purchase the gun of my dreams, a John Dickson round action, a make and type of shotgun I have lusted after for more years than I care to remember. The gun in question looks immaculate with fine twist damascus barrels which are sadly out of proof, my intention its to have sleeved barrels of one sort or another fitted to make the final part of a dream come true and actually shoot with it. To protect the person who is selling it from possible prosecution I have made a receipt out that the gun is given as a repair project and that it will not be used until re-proofed or re-barrled. Will this keep the vendor safe? Blackpowder If they are happy with that then don't see why not (is the gun currently on ticket?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 I am just about to purchase the gun of my dreams, a John Dickson round action, a make and type of shotgun I have lusted after for more years than I care to remember. Blackpowder That happens to be one of my lusts too, any chance you could keep us posted with pictures when the work is done please?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 ask your feo for advice. and/or the basc or whatever organisation your a member of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted December 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Thanks guys, at the moment the gun is being given, and a price is agreed to be paid once I have the work done, its on ticket so all is above board. Regards Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 The usual way auction houses resolve this, is to sell only the action, fore-end and stock of the gun. The barrels are not sold. Sounds like an amazing project ! Have you looked into having Nigel Teague line the barrels internally ? ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Thanks guys, at the moment the gun is being given, and a price is agreed to be paid once I have the work done, its on ticket so all is above board. Regards Blackpowder cool, updates with photos is needed ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted December 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 The usual way auction houses resolve this, is to sell only the action, fore-end and stock of the gun. The barrels are not sold. Sounds like an amazing project ! Have you looked into having Nigel Teague line the barrels internally ? ATB Yes this is the route I intend to take, many thanks. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDS Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Yes this is the route I intend to take, many thanks. Blackpowder You may need to read this thread regarding barrel lining...may be of some interest http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=256082#Post256082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamekeeper1960 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 The usual way auction houses resolve this, is to sell only the action, fore-end and stock of the gun. The barrels are not sold. Sounds like an amazing project ! Have you looked into having Nigel Teague line the barrels internally ? ATB Hi arjimlad, thats not quite right they will sell you stock action and forend and the barrels will be released to an RFD cut to proof house standards for resleeveing. which is something that blackpowder could do with the seller take the barrels to an RFD and get him to hold them until you have them sleeved. Cheers Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted December 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Hi cookoff and hamster, yes I will try and get some pics up, have not learned that art as yet and thanks for your interest. TDS I cant get that site to open but I have been on others to see what the score is, thnak you. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Teague lining is a great method of saving this sort of guns looks,I`ve seen the end result and it`s good,shame about all those lovely damascus barrels that have been hacked for normal sleeving over the years though ! Good luck with your project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted December 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Teague lining is a great method of saving this sort of guns looks,I`ve seen the end result and it`s good,shame about all those lovely damascus barrels that have been hacked for normal sleeving over the years though ! Good luck with your project. Hi Matone I have just spoken to Nigel Teague and alas he no longer carries out the tubing process as there have been problems with it, he has however pointed me to a firm who will fir high quality sleeved barrels. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDS Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 hello Blackpowder ,sorry about the thread not opening...the gist of it was that Teague is no longer doing barrel lining , mainly due to expense and problems with the glue to fit these liners...apparently as the barrels warmed after a few shots there was a reaction ,probably by air bubbles , and was causing rivelling in the damascus... the thread seems to be growing , now 4 pages , could be of interest, and is under the heading "Barrel Lining" on doubleguns bbs.. though an American site it covers mainly old British side by sides and i have gleaned a lot of info from them over the last couple of years , you will probably find a lot about your grand old gun merry xmas...tds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Hi Matone I have just spoken to Nigel Teague and alas he no longer carries out the tubing process as there have been problems with it, he has however pointed me to a firm who will fir high quality sleeved barrels. Blackpowder I think if you ask in the trade it`s still available via the man who actually did the work for Teague. Don`t know his details personally tho` Hope this is of help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodlepigeon Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Would border barrels not do this for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Uk gun repairs might be worth an email on this subject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted December 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Would border barrels not do this for you? Thats a thought I had thought of them as rifle people only. Blackpowder Uk gun repairs might be worth an email on this subject Yes I see a recent post on the forum is full of praise for this firm, Cheers. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Call Dennis at UK gun repairs he will sort advise you on the best corse of action or give a contact to sort it out for you. Really helpfull and a great work man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted January 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Again thanks to all who gave me advice on the path to take regarding the out of proof barrels on my newly aquired John Dickson R/A shotgun. Some of the posters asked me to give an update on the progress of this project so here is the latest. After considerable phoning around and e. mailing I took the gun to a local gunsmiths, where the father and son owners are ex John Dickson. After a lot of gauging and measuring I was given the choice of reproof with the existing damascus barrels, further to examination by a specialist in the field. This is something of a gamble but one I feel is worth taking in preserving the marvelous pattern of the steel and iron mix. Should this be successfull the gun will retain its original character and be of considerable more value than if replacement sleeved barrels were fitted. This in fact was a reccomendation of at least two of the other firms I had spoken to on line. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Again thanks to all who gave me advice on the path to take regarding the out of proof barrels on my newly aquired John Dickson R/A shotgun. Some of the posters asked me to give an update on the progress of this project so here is the latest. After considerable phoning around and e. mailing I took the gun to a local gunsmiths, where the father and son owners are ex John Dickson. After a lot of gauging and measuring I was given the choice of reproof with the existing damascus barrels, further to examination by a specialist in the field. This is something of a gamble but one I feel is worth taking in preserving the marvelous pattern of the steel and iron mix. Should this be successfull the gun will retain its original character and be of considerable more value than if replacement sleeved barrels were fitted. This in fact was a reccomendation of at least two of the other firms I had spoken to on line. Blackpowder That`s great news,I hope it goes ok,it`ll certainly be the best outcome for your new piece! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted January 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Thanks Matone, yes its out of my hands for the moment and fingers crossed. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardH Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Please post details of the finished project Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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