Salop Matt Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Now this may sound simple but still on this occasion i failed ! I mounted a coat rail inder our stairs last month with 4 hooks on, i used plaster board rawl plugs and did a tidy job but now with the weight of only 6 coats the darn thing is pulling off the wall ! So now i need to re-mount it ! any recomendations on what i should do different second time around ? 4 screws insed of 2 ? expanding foam behind the plasterboard to strengthen it ? Cheers Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 spring toggle fixings mate, they push through a small hole and spring out so cannon come back, were the fixings you used a metal type screw with very coarce thred that another screw goes into? if not they are worth a go, either that or try and find a stud to fix to, there is also a product called stix-all if you put a few lines of tha behind it that will also help. iv learnt allways throw the fixing kit that comes with things like that away as its usaully pants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Butterfly bolts are a spring loaded clip that is designed to push through plasterboard then as you tighten they expand behind the board . Put as many secure fixings in as you can as they tend to help each other out by spreading the load Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandladdie Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Butterfly bolts are a spring loaded clip that is designed to push through plasterboard then as you tighten they expand behind the board . Put as many secure fixings in as you can as they tend to help each other out by spreading the load Ideally, For anything that will have to hold substantial weight you should try to find wood. Either a post/dwang or such like. Otherwise you will have to continue to re-fix something like this over and over again. What Stokie has said is probably the best solution for plasterboard fixings, so even if you can get one side in wood one side fixed as above, this wood(see what I did?! ) be much better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Ideally, For anything that will have to hold substantial weight you should try to find wood. Either a post/dwang or such like. Otherwise you will have to continue to re-fix something like this over and over again. What Stokie has said is probably the best solution for plasterboard fixings, so even if you can get one side in wood one side fixed as above, this wood(see what I did?! ) be much better that's what I would do. fit a patress which can be screwed back to the stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 If you can find a couple of uprights/noggins close by, screw and glue a sheet of MDF over the entire area, so that you can fix your stuff to the MDF itself, instead of the plasterboard. Make sure the screws go into the wood though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 If its studwork then a toggle fixing would be best....If the plasterboard is dabbed onto a soild block or lightweight block wall ( which it might be in a staircase area/Loadbearing) best to use a fischer long hammer in fixing through the coat rail, plasterboard, the cavity behind the board, which is usually 15-20mm and then into the blockwork. If your fixing a 15mm thick rail you will need a fixing 100mm long. Done properly they wont come out. You can get them at al good DIY stores. Bloody Drylining is a PITA http://apps.fischer.de/poc/default.aspx?page=layer&sprache=EN&kat=$MART-HK-$MKAT-HK-$MPG-G2&ekat=$EKAT-HK-EN&path=$MART-HK-$MKAT-HK-$MPG-G7&path=$MART-HK-$MKAT-HK-$MPG-G2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 You really need to find the studding the wooden uprights I think that they will be about 18" apart if you tap the wall you should be able to find them you could use a small drill to find the centre of the wood then just find another one the pop two long screws in and job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWD Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hack the lining section (Say 6 inch square ) away and replace it with something more solid (plywood sections)fixed to the wall built up to approx the same height as the finished board. Poly skim over it if finish is important. Then screw to that . I used to use a 120mm hole drill and then use the same drill to cut some ply pieces..fix these to the wall and even some cheap filler can do a tidy job of blending it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrob Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Use hollow wall anchors with a setting tool - http://www.screwfix.com/c/screws-nails-fixings/hollow-wall-anchors/cat840108 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Use hollow wall anchors with a setting tool - http://www.screwfix.com/c/screws-nails-fixings/hollow-wall-anchors/cat840108 Yep will hold plenty of weight if put in properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 No Nails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 or you could make a feature out of a patress, nice bit of timber, chamfer or mould the edges, counter bore and plug the fixing holes, use spit helical fixings if you cant find the studs, and a bit of grip fill. all you need to do is increase the surface area, job jobbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Use hollow wall anchors with a setting tool - http://www.screwfix.com/c/screws-nails-fixings/hollow-wall-anchors/cat840108 Another vote for hollow wall anchors, great bits of kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Butterfly/toggle fixings will spread weight a bit,just remember the more you put in the weaker it gets as you are making holes/removing plasterboard each time you screw another in because the holes are so close together on a clothes rail. As others have said,it would be better to put a nogging in behind the p/board and screw to this or a par bearer ontop of p/board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marnold Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Use hollow wall anchors with a setting tool - http://www.screwfix.com/c/screws-nails-fixings/hollow-wall-anchors/cat840108 +1 for these. They have various sizes rated up to 50 kg. I've used them for everything, they are fantastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerico Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Replace one of the coats with a matching hat & umbrella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 I've found these to be really great for jobs just like the one you are trying to do. You can get them in metal or nylon and either will do the job. http://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-self-drill-plasterboard-fixing-metal-32mm-pack-of-100/81139 Pushkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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