bk Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 30 been in industry 10 years. Not mature but not an idle full time student Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 30 been in industry 10 years. Not mature but not an idle full time student A little bit of knowledge gives you confidence, alot makes you doubt everything. The more I learn the more my confidence seems to get knocked. I'm sure it shouldn't work that way round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Mule Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Mate of mine was a photocopier engineer and had a job in a school office - He had all bit's on table and teacher walked in and went Oh! "Is copier not working":? Yes said my mate - teacher came over and put paper in then after a few seconds said "it isn't working" - I told you that a moment ago :rolleyes: Dave Ahahaha, I first read that as in he had his tackle out to photocopy and the copier didn't work and he was caught at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Ack-ack, try Mr Weller's Changing Man, excellent lyrics: " the more I know, the less I understand " I feel exactly the same as you, and Paul! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 A university degree doesn't mean you know what a phillips screwdriver is. My girlfriend got a 1st in Classics and she can translate Latin and Greek fluently, but I bet she'd not know the difference between a screwdriver. I wish I had gone to University. Anyone who says about the 'University of Life' is ignorant and arrogant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 A university degree doesn't mean you know what a phillips screwdriver is. My girlfriend got a 1st in Classics and she can translate Latin and Greek fluently, but I bet she'd not know the difference between a screwdriver. I wish I had gone to University. Anyone who says about the 'University of Life' is ignorant and arrogant. no thanks...happy I did not go to uni..come out in debt and I was doing a job that you should have had a degree for bt since I had experiance I got the job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Don't think there is anything wrong with not going to University, it's not for everyone and the one of the worst things that T Bliar and New labour did was try to let everybody go to University. All it did was encourage Universities to offer Micky Mouse degrees so they could get extra funding and meant that people got inot loads of debt and couldn't get a decent job at the end, it also devalued a University education. In my opinion they should have created more technical acadamies for people to learn skills and trades and encouraged people to go there instead of wasting a few years doing A-Levels which weren't going to do them any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Don't think there is anything wrong with not going to University, it's not for everyone and the one of the worst things that T Bliar and New labour did was try to let everybody go to University. All it did was encourage Universities to offer Micky Mouse degrees so they could get extra funding and meant that people got inot loads of debt and couldn't get a decent job at the end, it also devalued a University education. In my opinion they should have created more technical acadamies for people to learn skills and trades and encouraged people to go there instead of wasting a few years doing A-Levels which weren't going to do them any good. This is so very true. My school pushed obvious future brick layers towards weak degrees. A few I know personally failed their first year and had no qualifications to show for their 6+K debt... Guess what they are doing now. My university is top ranking for media (don't fret I'm studying a solid core science)so I am constantly surrounded by air thieving layabouts who have a sense of entitlement to a £40k+ salary for editing photos and blogging about their testicles. University isn't for everyone, apprenticeships should be given to those who would do better at a vocational career. Sadly the colleges and sixth forms want to be able to boast about how 95% of their students go on to degrees.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 The concept of cleverness is weird. For example I've just been on a massive family weekend and one of my distant relatives is what you might call something of an 'intellectual,' but works in a shop on minimum wage not because they like it that way but because they are too damn awkward and militant to get anything else. The 'clever' people I admire the most are the ones who can see through a situation, see how to make money from it, and do it when nobody else does. Like the guy selling the pick-axes at gold-rush time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Choice of institution is everything. I'd wager that a student with a degree in American Studies from Kings College London has a better chance of getting into a top law firm than a student with a degree in Law from Edge Hill University. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davva Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I've got a Marketing degree I don't use..... Open to cash offers!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davva Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 but I bet she'd not know the difference between a screwdriver. Difference between a screwdriver and...... a camel? a paperclip? or another "different" screwdriver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 In my Role as Structures Engineer I have mentored dozens of civil/structures graduates, not found a stupid one yet.....arrogant, know all little ****ers some of them, but not stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 The concept of cleverness is weird. For example I've just been on a massive family weekend and one of my distant relatives is what you might call something of an 'intellectual,' but works in a shop on minimum wage not because they like it that way but because they are too damn awkward and militant to get anything else. The 'clever' people I admire the most are the ones who can see through a situation, see how to make money from it, and do it when nobody else does. Like the guy selling the pick-axes at gold-rush time. Precisely. An educated person absorbs information and recalls it on demand. An intelligent person analyses it and applies it selectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) I've got a Marketing degree I don't use..... Open to cash offers!! Even though you may not be using it directly in the industry the skills you acquired whilst doing it you probably use daily without even knowing it. Edited January 30, 2012 by ack-ack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern01 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Most middle managers these days are relatively poorly educated and are just a--e kicking thugs in suits obsessed with meaningless targets, cost cutting and shedding staff. Edited January 30, 2012 by fern01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Difference between a screwdriver and...... a camel? a paperclip? or another "different" screwdriver? Lest you forget, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. You know exactly what I meant. I would double check each post you make from now on. I'll be ready to come down on you like a tonne of bricks if you make a single grammatical error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 True story-happened a few weeks back at the school where I work.I had a report that a car had been parked with the lights still on so I located the vehicle and was writing the reg number down when a Teacher walked over after noticing what I was doing.She informed me that she knew who's car it was so I asked her if she would locate the owner and let her know that her lights were still on."Not a problem" she assures me "But I dont know if she's in yet or not"................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 5 pages........ A degree means you have that qualification in the subject you studied, nothing more. You are not then automatically an expert in life, screw-drivers or women (unless of course you studied with God, Snap-On Tools or Peter Stringfellow). Next. Jesus wept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Most middle managers these days are relatively poorly educated and are just a--e kicking thugs in suits obsessed with meaningless targets, cost cutting and shedding staff. Can we assume you are unhappy in your present role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Good post Mark, how are you mate? I used to think there were those with degrees who ridiculed those without and those without who ridiculed those with. I had to do a degree to get a full-time job at my place. Got first class honours in systems engineering from a Mickey Mouse university and discovered there was as third type - people with proper degrees who ridicule those with mickey mouse ones. So, I went and did a Masters at Oxford in formal software engineering methods and got a distinction. Nobody at my work now looks down their nose at my qualifications but there would be people out there who did Oxford on a more conventional basis I.e. younger, full time and with a better college who would ridicule my achievements. Bottom line is anyone having a POP at anyone else for trying to broaden their horizons and better their employment prospects is behaving wonky, well wonky. Doing my studies later, started first degree part time at 28, definitely enhanced how much I learnt but if I'm honest I regret not doing it all full time and at a younger age. I consider myself relatively well balanced between practical and theoretical without being particularly academic. I don't maintain a list recording all instances but know I've said some pretty stupid things in my time at work... One thing I have learnt though is that in general, generalizations are generally not very helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern01 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 A lot of the graduate trainees I have had working for me think that the world owes them a living because they can pass exams which are much easier now than they used to be. You need much more than that to be sucessfull, including hard work,dedication, people skills, problem solving, applied common sense etc, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 And most of all...........experience! And not of sitting in classrooms or student bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davva Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Even though you may not be using it directly in the industry the skills you acquired whilst doing it you probably use daily without even knowing it. I could not agree more, everything we do in life whether academic or "life experience" shapes our lives and influences whom we become & I had an exceptionally good time whilst at University. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davva Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Edited January 31, 2012 by Davva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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