1st Rabbit with .22 HW 45

[lee-kinsman]

Chavy, the point is chap. Everyone on this sight has respect for what we kill.

 

I think this statement is a bit of an exhageration coz there are some real nobs on here. Chavy is obviously nieve enough to post what he thought was acceptable.

As a bit of encouragement to you chavy put the air pistol away, and if your genuine about learning to hunt/shoot, don't admit to anyone that you made a public embarassment of yourself on this forum, don't tell people that your chavy the guy who knocks down bunnies with air pistols.

Find someone local to show you the ropes and learn how to shoot properly with an air weapon. Do some research into the law as well, maybe the next time you post you'll get a rather than a :wacko: response.

 

Mistakes are made to learn from,

ATB,

Lee

[Chavy]

Cheers guys

[FalconFN]

Cheers guys

Better luck in the future.

 

ATB

[Fat Dog]

You didn't do that rabbit's sense of humour much good either!

 

A fine quote FB

 

 

Dont worry fella.If you are anything like my wife you will stop frothing at the mooth after 5 days and the hairs on your palms will dissapear by the seventh.

 

Classic

[Dannyboy220]

Ok now that's over with where can I get me one of those bunnie bashin pistols? :yp:

[M.I.A]

I've heard toys r us do a spud gun that's good for 100 yard rabbits

[SAVAGE HMR]

I don't want to re-light the fuse on this obviously contentious issue 'lie'

But, it stands to reason that if an air rifle running just under 12 ft lbs

was suitable to dispatch rabbits at 50 yards which almost all of us have

done and would condone.

An air pistol running at just under 6 ft lbs shooting at the same target

at 25 yards would have the same outcome.

Half the power of a rifle, half the distance!

 

It really doesn't matter, the rabbit's dead, the guy obviously didn't know

he was going to stir up such a **** storm and now he's probably feeling

quite **** about the whole affair.

 

As for the comments about an 'illegal firearm' what a stupid thing to post

on a public forum. There are 'antis' everywhere lurking around looking for

the next excuse to complain about firearms legislation.

Someone see's a comment on here relating to rabbits being shot with a pistol

that is also an illegal firearm, what do you think the tabloid papers would

make of it?

Why not inbox the guy and keep it private instead of bringing heat on the sport?

 

I don't know why people here cant back off a bit and give sound advice instead

of jumping with both feet straight on to the testicles of someone who makes an

ill judged mistake.

 

The Pigeon Watch forum is a great thing, it's great for the shooting community

but we should be welcoming new members and guiding them as opposed to ripping

them to shreads when they do somethng wrong.

[ttalbot09]

I don't know why people here cant back off a bit and give sound advice instead

of jumping with both feet straight on to the testicles of someone who makes an

ill judged mistake.

 

Agree with this completely, i understand people on here have respect for what they shoot i hope we all do!.. but the way people Rant on about it really puts me off the use of these forums! Theres no need, as there is other ways of informing this man.

[FalconFN]

But, it stands to reason that if an air rifle running just under 12 ft lbs

was suitable to dispatch rabbits at 50 yards which almost all of us have

done and would condone.

An air pistol running at just under 6 ft lbs shooting at the same target

at 25 yards would have the same outcome.

Half the power of a rifle, half the distance!

I understand what you're saying but a pistol isn't as accurate as a rifle and with such a loopy trajectory you have to be spot on in range finding, the difference in poi from 25 to 30 is around 1.5" so with such low power you have no room for error.

 

I see your point about what should and should not be put on a public forum but I don't really agree as I think we, as shooters, have a duty to show that we are ethical and diligent in what we do and that we won't turn a blind eye to bad practices.

 

ATB

[lee-kinsman]

With respect,your theory savage hmr is badly thought out. At 50 yards half of 12ft/lbs is 6ft/lbs, quite possibly the minimum that would be required to humanely kill a rabbit at that distance.

With a pistol at 25yds half of 6ft/lbs is 3ft/lbs which is barely enough to crack an egg.

 

To put it simply, who would shoot rabbits at 75-80yds with an air rifle that fires at 12ft/lbs when the power is going to be 3ft/lbs. At such a slow speed the pellet is actually unstable in flight which is why air pistols are very inaccurate past 10yds.

 

ATB,

Lee

[SAVAGE HMR]

With respect,your theory savage hmr is badly thought out. At 50 yards half of 12ft/lbs is 6ft/lbs, quite possibly the minimum that would be required to humanely kill a rabbit at that distance.

With a pistol at 25yds half of 6ft/lbs is 3ft/lbs which is barely enough to crack an egg.

 

To put it simply, who would shoot rabbits at 75-80yds with an air rifle that fires at 12ft/lbs when the power is going to be 3ft/lbs. At such a slow speed the pellet is actually unstable in flight which is why air pistols are very inaccurate past 10yds.

 

ATB,

Lee

 

Your not getting what I'm saying here. A pistol at 25 yards has the same power at a rifle at 50 yards.

A pistol at 25 yards may well have a power of 3 ft lbs but if that's true, a rifle would at 50 yards

have the same power as the pistol in the first place. If shootng a rabbit with a power minimum of 6 ft lbs

was such an issue people wouldn't be posting photos of rabbit's shot with rifles at 50 yards through

fear of the shooting community having a go at them.

 

It may be the limit of the pistol, but it doesnt matter. I shoot rabbits at 50 yards with an air rifle.

But I wouldn't expect to be tarred and feathered for posting it here if I did considerng the rifle I was

using at that distance would now be pistol powered.

The use of the pistol has not been condoned by anyone, it's be suggested that all it's good for is rat

dispatch and tin cans. Not one person has said it's be suitable for rabbits.

I'd use the HW .22 on rabbits. Out to 10 yards I think it's up to the job. Maybe not 25 yards but the truth

with distance was perhaps a bit embellished and rounded up for the sake of making it look more skillful.

I think 3 ft lbs is enough power to crack an egg, it's questionable whether or not t would crack a rabbits

skull but I certainly wouldnt want to stand in front of a pellet carrying such force.

 

I think a better way to go about this would have been to tell te guy that it's not a good practice to try

to dispatch rabbits at such a distance with a pistol and that if he was going to use it for hunting, to

stalk his quarry to within 10 yards for a guaranteed clean kill.

Maybe advise him that if he intends to take rabbits at a distance equal or greater than 25 yards that an air

rifle would be a better tool for the job.

 

People join these forums for frendship, good advice and to gain countryside and shooting skills.

If it'd been me joining the forum and I'd recieved such a hostile and un-welcoming atmosphere I

certainly wouldn't think much of the shooting community and I wouldn't want to hang around.

 

I think we should all consider ourselves lucky that we're sitting behind keyboards in Britain.

You see this kind of mob mentality in third world countries and it will usualy end up with

someone being stoned to death or hung from the nerest tree.

 

Everyone here could learn a thing or two from being a lot nicer to people.

[JR1960]

People join these forums for frendship, good advice and to gain countryside and shooting skills.

If it'd been me joining the forum and I'd recieved such a hostile and un-welcoming atmosphere I

certainly wouldn't think much of the shooting community and I wouldn't want to hang around.

 

I think we should all consider ourselves lucky that we're sitting behind keyboards in Britain.

You see this kind of mob mentality in third world countries and it will usualy end up with

someone being stoned to death or hung from the nerest tree.

 

Everyone here could learn a thing or two from being a lot nicer to people.

Sadly, you may as well go and talk to the wall, some people just don't have it in them.......

[Tom&Dexter]

View PostSAVAGE HMR, on 30 January 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

People join these forums for frendship, good advice and to gain countryside and shooting skills.

If it'd been me joining the forum and I'd recieved such a hostile and un-welcoming atmosphere I

certainly wouldn't think much of the shooting community and I wouldn't want to hang around.

 

I think we should all consider ourselves lucky that we're sitting behind keyboards in Britain.

You see this kind of mob mentality in third world countries and it will usualy end up with

someone being stoned to death or hung from the nerest tree.

 

Everyone here could learn a thing or two from being a lot nicer to people.

 

Sadly, you may as well go and talk to the wall, some people just don't have it in them.......

 

 

 

[Hamster]

I recall reading somewhere that about 3 ft lbs of kinetic energy is sufficient to kill a rabbit if struck in the right part of the head, , rubbish, irrelevant data such as this is no doubt responsible for some people assuming that it is therefore OK to shoot rabbits with a low power air gun or worse pistol, so long as it's producing around just under 6 ft lbs. :unsure:

 

Not picking on anyone in particular but I keep hearing of people shooting rabbits at 50 yards with sub 12 air rifles but I'm afraid I just don't believe there are that many people who can do so regularly, in the field. Probably about as many as make it into AAA class at clay shooting I'd say. What possible reason is there in the first place? Can't you get closer? Can't you apply for and use a rimmie or FAC level gun if your place is so vast you need to take such shots?

 

What accuracy and power levels pistols or air rifles in general are capable of, and what they or you can produce under field conditions are two different things entirely. Kind of takes us nicely back to the whole tedious calibre thing, was the pistol .177 by any chance? I've heard small calibre's are so forgiving they make rabbit shooting like you're falling off a log. :unsure:

[deershooter]

Seeing that most of these posts refer to me then I better have my two peneth

 

With all the information out there with the internet and shooting books and magazinens it is quite plain to see that hunting with an airpistol is just not the done thing, take a look at the deer act that tells us what we can use and what we can not because its inhumane. If this guy had done a little reserch he probably would not have tried this then again he just might because he thinks he is clever

 

I might have been a little hard on him but I regulary shoot deer with old wounds from shotgun and even air rifle pellets in them which is just not on one deer had 6 airgun pellets in its face

 

Deershooter

[sako751sg]

Seeing that most of these posts refer to me then I better have my two peneth

 

With all the information out there with the internet and shooting books and magazinens it is quite plain to see that hunting with an airpistol is just not the done thing, take a look at the deer act that tells us what we can use and what we can not because its inhumane. If this guy had done a little reserch he probably would not have tried this then again he just might because he thinks he is clever

 

I might have been a little hard on him but I regulary shoot deer with old wounds from shotgun and even air rifle pellets in them which is just not on one deer had 6 airgun pellets in its face Deershooter

 

If im thinking of shooting deer would you recommend an FAC air rifle as it seems you dont think 12lbs is enough,and you seem to know your stuff.As for the deer with 6 airgun pellets in its face would that have been with an auto slugger or would the deer just have stood there taking all six?Deer must be pretty stupid eh?

[tomhw100]

if it was 25yards how high did he shoot above it????......

[sako751sg]

if it was 25yards how high did he shoot above it????......

 

 

Not sure if he had to shoot above it.If it was zeroed at 100 yards he would have had to aim at its feets,no more than that as they have some poke.

[tomhw100]

Not sure if he had to shoot above it.If it was zeroed at 100 yards he would have had to aim at its feets,no more than that as they have some poke.

 

i have one...i know they are quite 'poky' it drops of a 25yds...would of thought you'd have to aim a bit high-dont think you could zero at 100yds though

[huddy44]

Ive slowly watched this post unfold, it is obvious that Chavy has little to no experience and is obviously "keen" to hunt live quarry.

 

In this instance what has happened is that he's obviously been overcome with "excitment" and hasn't stopped to think "what happens if I dont kill it" or "is this the correct way to shoot rabbits"

 

When all is said and done, he did kill the rabbit, and I feel that he perhaps needs a bit of guidence in the beginning of his shooting career.

 

So....Chavy, If I were you I would go to a local gun shop and look at buying an inexpensive air rifle setup, which will be "fit for purpose" then all you need is some regular (safe) target practise and learn how to land pellets where your aiming. Then when you do start to hunt live quarry you wont need "pot shots" to fill your bag up.

 

Please dont let this experience put you off starting a shooting career. It can be very rewarding and is a great excuse for some fresh air! You just need some help on setting up initially.

[Chavy]

I don't know why people here cant back off a bit and give sound advice instead

of jumping with both feet straight on to the testicles of someone who makes an

ill judged mistake.

 

Agree with this completely, i understand people on here have respect for what they shoot i hope we all do!.. but the way people Rant on about it really puts me off the use of these forums! Theres no need, as there is other ways of informing this man.

Thanks for the support guys. I to have now been put off the use of the forum. I in no way intended on upsetting so many people. And just one more point for all of you who gave abuse its very easy to hide behind a computer and i would love to see you give the mouth in a face to face situation.

[tomhw100]

If you brought that hw45 new you would be able to buy a springer for the same price definitely! £250 to play with should get you a nice little starter!

[Chavy]

If im thinking of shooting deer would you recommend an FAC air rifle as it seems you dont think 12lbs is enough,and you seem to know your stuff.As for the deer with 6 airgun pellets in its face would that have been with an auto slugger or would the deer just have stood there taking all six?Deer must be pretty stupid eh?

You can borrow my HW 45 if you want :huh:

[huddy44]

I was lucky enough to have my first air rifle given. These days an entry level set up is available for any budget, my advice would be to buy the best you can afford.

 

Then; plenty of practice at tin cans and targets before you try to shoot anything live....

 

Over time as your experience increases you will be able to see and understand the "error of your ways" that have been discussed in this post.

 

Keep at it, and buy a rifle. It will work out better for all concerned.

[deershooter]

The deer dispatched by myself with the pellets in the face was dispatched using my .308 at 40 yards next to a feeder in the wood not too far from a local village we have had problems with two youths with air guns on this land in the past obviously they had shot it a number of times over over a weekend .I expect the first pellets damaged its eye and thats why it was around the feeder when I found it not a nice sight and no animal should suffer like this :no:

 

Deershooter